Residential School Excavation

[blackpowder]

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[chuckChuck]

I don’t know how old you are Chuck but you’re saying that prior to turning 9, I was responsible for what happened to other children? Perhaps it’s also my fault that the 80s and 90s were an AIDS epidemic.

People are responsible for how we act going forward. For how we treat First Nations now and in the future. We are not responsible for the past, unless you feel we could successfully be brought up on charges in the court system. (Doubtful on my part considering my age at the time).

Apologies have been given, and I would say they’re predominantly hollow and meaningless. Much like land acknowledgements, apologies are empty gestures completed by people like you who are using it to virtue signal your apparent superiority over the rest of us.

The idea that we are all responsible for each other is BS. A local farmers daughter just committed suicide this week. Based on your logic Chuck, you’re responsible for that because we should be doing more for mental health. Yet I doubt you even knew she existed. How neglectful and cruel of you.

I never said anybody on this site was directly responsible for the decisions since colonization.

It's a collective and societal ongoing shared responsibility. However some of the abusers are still alive and are directly responsible.

The Indian Act, lower living standards, racism,discrimination, and resulting social problems on and with first Nations are still present.

If you are ignoring the truth and history of what happened or downplaying or dismissing the impact of colonization and the residential schools, then you are still part of the problem.

Of course there are many unmarked graves from disease and some from neglect and abuse. But why were so many children buried in unmarked graves instead of being returned to their families? They often didn't even know they died.

The stories of abuse, neglect and cultural genocide were well documented in The Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

Steven Harper apologized for residential schools in the House of commons.

[blackpowder]

No one here has said it didn't happen. The more I read your posts, the sicker you get in my opinion.

[Blaithin]

It’s part of residential school denialism and the view that we are not responsible for what happened and what continues to happen to first nations.

What’s that mean?

[jazz]

No one here has said it didn't happen. The more I read your posts, the sicker you get in my opinion.

He is one sick puppy trying to project the sins of others onto people who had nothing to do with it. He especially wants settler families linked up by the thinnest reasoning possible, because he dreams of reparations for this and all sorts of stuff. Like somehow an illiterate and shell shocked group of people dumped among the rocks and cactuses were culpable for govt policy. Same Marxist guilt tactic.

Until the natives start bring up mass bodies from these supposed unmarked graves, its just conjecture and a bad narrative that has fallen apart. So genocide is ruled out. These schools werent set up to extinguish natives like chuck told us.

So the next logical avenue is bad policy which turned to neglect and thats solely on the govt of the day.

[Blaithin]

They were set up to remove the culture which fits as cultural genocide.

The goal wasn’t to exterminate the Natives, the goal was to make them Christians and stop them from fighting the Europeans.

[fjlip]

Sounds like GOOD intentions...

[Blaithin]

Sounds like GOOD intentions...

Because everyone wants to, and should be, Christians?

Okay, Tom.

Can only imagine the outcry if kids were taken from farms and sent to boarding schools to get them to be Liberals and denounce farming as integral.

[jazz]

They were set up to remove the culture which fits as cultural genocide.

The goal wasn’t to exterminate the Natives, the goal was to make them Christians and stop them from fighting the Europeans.

Thats doesnt exactly fit either, the fastest way to remove culture is to remove the people by killing them and the army of the day easily could have accomplished that long before.

Maybe, just maybe, the simplest answer is the right one. That a ham fisted attempt at assimilation and integration was made but it went off the rails like every other govt program eventually does creating widespread neglect and abuse.

And by your definition, making any new immigrants learn and use english or french and have education credentials in our country, live by our laws and general customs is cultural genocide on a daily basis.

[Blaithin]

Thats doesnt exactly fit either, the fastest way to remove culture is to remove the people by killing them and the army of the day easily could have accomplished that long before.

Maybe, just maybe, the simplest answer is the right one. That a ham fisted attempt at assimilation and integration was made but it went off the rails like every other govt program eventually does creating widespread neglect and abuse.

And by your definition, making any new immigrants learn and use english or french and have education credentials in our country, live by our laws and general customs is cultural genocide on a daily basis.

No, making them learn new skills or languages isn’t cultural genocide. Not allowing them to use their previous language is.

You exterminate a people by killing them all. The Church wanted the people. They needed to save their souls. Killing them didn’t save the souls.

All assimilation is ham fisted. No conquered nation in history was assimilated nicely. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t fit as a genocide.

[littledoggie]

Take a look around. Every ethnic group is ghettoized. It's the Laurentian way.

[blackpowder]

Dictionary defines genocide as murder.
The term cultural genocide is analogous.
Beliefs of cultural and racial superiority commonplace in the past. We are human, it still exists somewhere.
It happened. It was wrong.
But as far as my limited knowledge goes, only certain oppressed/oppressor groups around the world are stuck in the time warp we are.
I remember the impression left watching the '78 TV series Holocaust on our black and white set.
The hypervigilant use of labels, all or none word manipulation and extreme, rigid position stance by the Chucks will always set off alarm bells for me.