Residential School Excavation

[jazz]

Dictionary defines genocide as murder.
The term cultural genocide is analogous.

By conflating those two, you really dilute the meaning. By that defintion, when the romans invaded gaul it was cultural genocide. Same as the welsh, the scots, the french etc.

Basically every country and group of people on the planet have been on both ends of the issue. Invaders and invaded.

What happpened when people crossed over the bering straight 1,000 years after the first batch. Was that all harmony and kumbya. No culture stays stagnant and one crossing over 1,000 years later would be very different. Which culture won that battle and the dozen migrations that happened afterwards.

Cultures have been clashing for 20,000 yrs on this planet. The usual method was to kill the men and breed the women, just like Ghengis did.

[blackpowder]

Indeed. And it will happen again. Keep your powder dry.
But perhaps the goal should be to listen to the better angels of our nature.

[Blaithin]

Cultures clashing isn’t always on par with cultural genocide.

Still, cultural genocide has been happening for eons. It’s hardly new since North America was “discovered”. Doesn’t mean it’s not worth acknowledging that it did happen.

But acknowledging it shouldn’t mean apologizing in perpetuity or taking the blame. That would be like the current English being blamed for the Scottish clearances or all Italians constantly apologizing for Rome.

It’s happened. Move forward.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

They were set up to remove the culture which fits as cultural genocide.

The goal wasn’t to exterminate the Natives, the goal was to make them Christians and stop them from fighting the Europeans.

And viewed through the lens of 2023, that is horrific. But by the standards of the day, that was an incredibly generous offer compared to any of these one-sided interactions throughout history, where extermination would have been the outcome if not the explicit goal.

[Blaithin]

Now a days is the time to be a minority or “weaker” or different population. There’s people who are not visible minorities who are intent on voicing loudly how they are a minority and then complaining about how they’re treated. Unless you've been branded as a terrorist to explain actions against you you’re pretty much guaranteed sympathy and compensation from someone.

Historically there was no such thing. You either survived or you didn’t.

Rights/morals/ethics are all fictional things created by peoples imaginations. As such they’re subject to change. One day generations will look back on us and say we had strange standards for our day. Heck, I say that now 😂

Law of the Jungle is if you’re different you don’t usually survive. It’s humanity/religions that’s given different people so it’s interesting that so many current minorities proclaim against these things. If it wasn’t for humanity/religions those people would’ve been eaten ages ago.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Cultures clashing isn’t always on par with cultural genocide.

Still, cultural genocide has been happening for eons. It’s hardly new since North America was “discovered”. Doesn’t mean it’s not worth acknowledging that it did happen.

But acknowledging it shouldn’t mean apologizing in perpetuity or taking the blame. That would be like the current English being blamed for the Scottish clearances or all Italians constantly apologizing for Rome.

It’s happened. Move forward.

On behalf of my oppressed Scottish and Irish ancestors, I still hold my English ancestors responsible, and demand reparations and apologies from myself to myself.
Family reunions are awkward.

[Blaithin]

On behalf of my oppressed Scottish and Irish ancestors, I still hold my English ancestors responsible, and demand reparations and apologies from myself to myself.
Family reunions are awkward.

I’m working on a family tree atm.

I don’t think I’d have one generation ever that would get along with each branch. There’s even some that went to jail for things that this year would probably be celebrated.

It’s also interesting watching attitudes change over the years. One ancestor in particular is referred to as Russian, Polish, or Prussian depending on the year.

[Blaithin]

In fact, Chuck, I would like weekly apologies and some monetary compensation please. I have repressed ancestors.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Can only imagine the outcry if kids were taken from farms and sent to boarding schools to get them to be Liberals and denounce farming as integral.

That is actually a very accurate description of the indoctrination system today. Except it applies to all children. And not limited to denouncing farming, but all primary industries.

[Blaithin]

Hardly.

Parents have just given up actually teaching their children anything so the kids are entirely dependent on schools.

A child in a school has just as much opportunity to learn at home as at school. They’re only “indoctrinated” if they have no other teachers rounding out education in their life.

They aren’t taken from their families and maybe allowed to visit once a year. Families are still fully accessible to children to teach them whatever they want.

Just because they can’t be bothered too doesn’t make it comparable to residential schools.

[furrowtickler]

Hardly.

Parents have just given up actually teaching their children anything so the kids are entirely dependent on schools.

A child in a school has just as much opportunity to learn at home as at school. They’re only “indoctrinated” if they have no other teachers rounding out education in their life.

They aren’t taken from their families and maybe allowed to visit once a year. Families are still fully accessible to children to teach them whatever they want.

Just because they can’t be bothered too doesn’t make it comparable to residential schools.

You make a good point , but not entirely the case.
My wife has been a teacher for 25 years , and ya you’re partly right . But there are more parents that help their children’s education than some think . Is it enough of the total percentage, no not even close . The children / young teens that come from these homes in general do exceedingly well through high schools and into post secondary education. But as a percentage wise of students it’s low . There are teachers who care and who can see potential in some students from households who do not give that opportunity or just simply can’t with having to work 2-3 jobs to make ends meet. That’s gotten worse this past few years where the cost of even a modest living has put tremendous pressure on parents at home. My wife is one of few who recognizes these kids and will give extra time to help them if they want to help themselves. Some of them turn out to be excellent students and thrive beyond high school. Unfortunately there are more students simply not driven , from broken homes and drugs are a huge issue in high schools, but that starts at home mostly too . Most of those kids don’t have much future. And that is a parental responsibility and failure , not the school system.
You do bring up a good point , and yes , it all starts at home . If the home life is a disaster with irresponsible parents, chances are those students will end up the same unless they can help themselves and apply themselves even a bit at schools . Most teachers will recognize that and be willing to help them along . But if the student’s attitude and effort is wasteful and never show, well classes are far too big to babysit each and every kid , it’s impossible. There are special classes for those kids but for the most part it’s a waste of time and effort .

[sumdumguy]

It’s what they are being taught that is a problem. Life skills have been discarded. Is there still shop, woodworking, home economics, finance, nutrition, housing and design. Don’t think so, these were offered in 1960’s and seventies. Now they are pushing environmental propaganda, politics, gender identity, homosexuality. Sick society - how did this garbage get enshrined in the current curriculum?