Freedom Convoy Trial

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I've got two kids and they don't have anywhere near 87 shots. Where the heck is that?
BL on the same bus as Chuck. Just further in the back.

I remember having this discussion with our vet a number of years ago. Forget the exact numbers, but he commented that the maximum number of vaccines you should give to a cow at one time with is something like 20. Which shocked me until we looked at the labels and realized each product is up to eight vaccines in one.
Go add up how many vaccination our children have had when you look at it from that perspective, not the total number of shots.
Personally. Due to our experience with livestock, I've always been pro vaccine. However this covid fiasco has certainly caused some sober second thought on the topic.
A close neighbor of ours insists that her now autistic son was absolutely normal until immediately after one of his vaccinations. I'm not about to argue with a mother in that position.

[chuckChuck]

There is no evidence that vaccines cause autism. Another antivaxer myth that plays on social media.

[cropgrower]

is their 100 % proof that it does not ?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

There is no evidence that vaccines cause autism. Another antivaxer myth that plays on social media.

Would you like to argue with my neighbor who claims she saw it happen? I'd rather argue with a mama grizzly bear with a toothache.

[biglentil]

There is no evidence that vaccines cause autism. Another antivaxer myth that plays on social media.

This court found that it wasnt climate change chuckles. There is no money in questioning the $cience. Doctors that do are quickly stripped of their license and silenced.

[chuckChuck]

Would you like to argue with my neighbor who claims she saw it happen? I'd rather argue with a mama grizzly bear with a toothache.

No need to argue because there is absolutely no evidence that autism is linked to vaccines.

So would you give more credibility to a single mother who says vaccines caused her sons autism or a body of research that shows no link?


Here is a good summary of the research.

https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/do-vaccines-cause-autism

Do Vaccines Cause Autism?
Medically Reviewed by Amita Shroff, MD on June 22, 2022
Written by Debra Fulghum Bruce, PhD

The research is clear: Vaccines don’t cause autism. More than a dozen studies have tried to find a link. Each one has come up empty.

MMR Vaccine Controversy

The debate began in 1998 when British researchers published a paper stating that the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine caused autism.

The paper itself later was officially labeled “fraud” by England’s General Medical Counsel, but it triggered a lot of debate over the safety of the vaccine which continues to this day.

The study looked at only 12 children, but it received a lot of publicity because at the same time, there was a rapid increase in the number of kids diagnosed with the condition.

The paper’s findings led other doctors to do their own research into the link between the MMR vaccine and autism. At least 12 follow-up studies were done. None found any evidence the vaccine caused autism.

An investigation into the 1998 study also uncovered a number of problems with how it was conducted. The journal that published it eventually retracted it. That meant the publication no longer stood by the results.

In 2010, the General Medical Counsel declared that the paper was not only based on bad science, but was deliberate fraud and falsifications by the head researcher, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, and revoked his medical license. Investigators learned that a lawyer looking for a link between the vaccine and autism had paid Wakefield more than £435,000 (equal to more than a half-million dollars).
Thimerosal Controversy

A year after the British study, fears about a possible vaccine-autism link shifted from MMR to a substance used in some children’s vaccines. It was called thimerosal, and it contained mercury. That’s a metal that’s harmful to the brain and kidneys at high levels. Doctors used thimerosal to prevent the growth of bacteria and fungi in vaccines.

There was no evidence that the small amount used in the medicines caused harm. Still, it was taken out of most children’s vaccines by 2001 at the urging of the American Academy of Pediatrics and the U.S. Public Health Service.
Related:

To see if thimerosal was linked to autism, researchers studied children who received vaccines that contained it. They compared them to kids who received vaccines that didn’t. The CDC conducted or paid for nine different studies looking at thimerosal and autism. It found no link.

What’s more, autism diagnoses continued to rise after vaccine makers took thimerosal out of almost all childhood vaccines. (Today, trace amounts of it remain in the vaccines to protect against diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis, known as DTaP and DTaP-Hib.)
What About All Vaccinations Combined?

Researchers have also looked to see if all the vaccines required before age 2 somehow together triggered autism. Children receive 25 shots in the first 15 months of life. Some people feared that getting all those shots so early in life could lead to the development of autism, but there is no evidence that this is true.

But the CDC compared groups of children who received vaccines on the recommended schedule and those whose vaccines were delayed or didn’t get them at all. There was no difference in the autism rate between the two groups.

In 2004, the Immunization Safety Review Committee of the Institute of Medicine published a report on the topic. The group looked at all the studies on vaccines and autism, both published and unpublished. It released a 200-page report stating there was no evidence to support a link between vaccines and autism.

Still, studies continue to look at the issue. In 2019, the largest study to date looked at almost 660-thousand children over a course of 11 years and found no link between the vaccine and autism.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

No need to argue because there is absolutely no evidence that autism is linked to vaccines.

So would you give more credibility to a single mother who says vaccines caused her sons autism or a body of research that shows no link?

Either you didn't read my comment, suggesting that I'm not about to have this discussion, telling the mother that she is wrong, or else you have never encountered an angry mother in your life. That would indicate that you do not have livestock, have never spent any time with wildlife, and most certainly are not married with children. If you can check off any of the above boxes, and still feel that you are willing to confront the mother in question, I can put you in contact, and you can recite your cut and paste to her, and face her wrath.

Nothing to do with my opinion on the matter.

[chuckChuck]

You have no opinion on the efficacy and safety of vaccines or the lack of a link to autism?

But you would rather talk about how sensitive mothers can be about their children and assume that other parents might not know this? LOL

But you won't ever challenge the antivaxers who have a hard time understanding benefits vs risk?

[cropgrower]

But they told nobody what the risks were with C 19 jab , informed consent , ever hear of that ?

[chuckChuck]

But they told nobody what the risks were with C 19 jab , informed consent , ever hear of that ?

Huh? That's simply not true!

You just didn't want to believe the evidence that covid vaccines are very safe! LOL