Another Antivaxer Convoy In Saskatchewan

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The US has lower fuel taxes and fuel prices than Canada for a long time so that is just not true!

Europe has had higher fuel prices for a long time too.

Its not a level playing field then is it? Wrong again? LOL

And industry has been moving from high energy cost Canada and Europe to low cost US and China etc.
About the only industries left in Canada now are those with no choice such as mining forestry agriculture oil and gas. Energy intensive downstream industries such as, Refining, manufacturing etc. Have mostly all moved out of the country.

[Guest]

And yet another thread descending into an off subject bıtch fight between chuck and af5 troll

[chuckChuck]

And industry has been moving from high energy cost Canada and Europe to low cost US and China etc.
About the only industries left in Canada now are those with no choice such as mining forestry agriculture oil and gas. Energy intensive downstream industries such as, Refining, manufacturing etc. Have mostly all moved out of the country.

Bullshit and wrong again ? LOL

Industry moved from the US to China as well. Why do you think US leaders were saying we want more manufacturing to come home, especially after all the supply chain disruptions?

Canada has a significant manufacturing sector as well. Larger than agriculture.

The whole agriculture and agri-food system generated $143.8 billion (around 7.0%) of Canada's gross domestic product (GDP)Jul 6, 2023

Manufacturing "accounts for approximately $174 billion (10%) of Canada's total GDP; manufacturers export more than $354 billion each year, representing 68% of Canada's merchandise exports; and the industry provides over 1.7 million full-time jobs across the country.Jun 15, 2023"

The auto industry that just secured some investment based on the lower cost hydro electricity prices in Quebec.

[chuckChuck]

Richmound has a protest on this weekend to get the Queen of Canada and her band of Q'Anon cult followers to bugger off.

Another occupation by loony antivaxers and the locals aren't happy? Sounds familiar. LOL

Who's the local idiot owner of the school who invited them in named Ricky Manz? And then gets charged with assault?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Richmound has a protest on this weekend to get the Queen of Canada and her band of Q'Anon cult followers to bugger off.

Another occupation by loony antivaxers and the locals aren't happy? Sounds familiar. LOL

Who's the local idiot owner of the school who invited them in named Ricky Manz? And then gets charged with assault?

I had been asking you for examples of useful information you have obtained from watching/reading/listening to MSM media.

It appears the only information you found was something about Canada now having a queen?

I rest my case.

[foragefarmer]

I had been asking you for examples of useful information you have obtained from watching/reading/listening to MSM media.

It appears the only information you found was something about Canada now having a queen?

I rest my case.

Chuck and many other Agriviller's are waiting for you to answer his question in post 78


"If you are opposed to wealth redistribution are you going to send back your subsidies?"


You know, interest free cash advances, crop insurance, CEBA, etc etc.

A "Libertarian" participating in the Government of Canada and Trudeau's hand outs.

Let's hear your answer to this wealth redistribution regarding yourself.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck and many other Agriviller's are waiting for you to answer his question in post 78


"If you are opposed to wealth redistribution are you going to send back your subsidies?"


You know, interest free cash advances, crop insurance, CEBA, etc etc.

A "Libertarian" participating in the Government of Canada and Trudeau's hand outs.

Let's hear your answer to this wealth redistribution regarding yourself.

The same answer as applies to the CO2 tax as previously discussed.
Canada almost alone is falling on its own sword with a CO2 tax, well the rest of the world carries on with business as usual happily taking the industries that are fleeing our uncompetitive environment.
Taking a one-man stand against distorting, unnecessary, damaging government programs is no different than Canada instituting a CO2 tax when none of our competition does it. How do I stay in business when my neighbor takes advantage of every government program, and I don't?
And I assure you, we pay far far far more taxes then we could ever get back in the government programs. It's hardly a wealth redistribution scheme, in this case

[foragefarmer]

The same answer as applies to the CO2 tax as previously discussed.
Canada almost alone is falling on its own sword with a CO2 tax, well the rest of the world carries on with business as usual happily taking the industries that are fleeing our uncompetitive environment.
Taking a one-man stand against distorting, unnecessary, damaging government programs is no different than Canada instituting a CO2 tax when none of our competition does it. How do I stay in business when my neighbor takes advantage of every government program, and I don't?
And I assure you, we pay far far far more taxes then we could ever get back in the government programs. It's hardly a wealth redistribution scheme, in this case

So basically as a Libertarian the Government of Canada and Trudeau are keeping your farm afloat because you can't compete with your neighbors who you assume are involved in Government programs.

You mention "WE" pay taxes are you referring to yourself paying income tax because that would mean your farm is operating in the positive, or are you referring to the rest of us on Agriville who pay income tax and compete against our neighbors without taking CEBA or interest free cash advances?

So my hard work on my farm and paid income tax dollars keep your farm in business.

Didn't you mention not that long ago you have oil lease rights on your farm?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So basically as a Libertarian the Government of Canada and Trudeau are keeping your farm afloat because you can't compete with your neighbors who you assume are involved in Government programs.

You mention "WE" pay taxes are you referring to yourself paying income tax because that would mean your farm is operating in the positive, or are you referring to the rest of us on Agriville who pay income tax and compete against our neighbors without taking CEBA or interest free cash advances?

So my hard work on my farm and paid income tax dollars keep your farm in business.

Didn't you mention not that long ago you have oil lease rights on your farm?

I say "we" because the farm Corp pays a lot of taxes, and both myself and my spouse pay a lot of taxes from the income we take out. And if you go back further, while I was working for a living trying to make enough capital to buy land to farm, I paid huge taxes at the highest personal rates, with no write offs, and no subsidies.
Being competitive is not the same thing as being profitable. But when land comes up for sale, or rent, those values are exactly where the marginal profit from such subsidies rears it's ugly head. As a young, expanding farmer, that is what I refer to as competitiveness.
The same as the CO2 tax. If a business can make a 5% profit margin in Canada, but at 8% profit margin doing the same energy intensive process overseas, they will go with the higher margin.
Now if you want to elect me to office, my first order of business will be eliminating all subsidies of all kinds to all businesses.
We do have a few oil and gas leases, yes. Why do you ask? When I was first buying land and paying for it with off of farm income, buying land with lease revenue seemed like a godsend. Now, trying to work around themwith big equipment, and lease revenue which has not kept pace with commodity inflation, and working around pipelines which do not pay in any way shape or form, it is no longer the windfall it once was.
Don't have any mineral rights if that's what you are asking.
And thank you for having a civil conversation on the topic.

[chuckChuck]

So A5 your answer is you are not going to send back your farm subsidies. LOL

So are you advocating cutting subsidy programs to all of oil and agriculture?

That would mean the oil industry would have to pay for all the cleanup of abandoned, suspended and orphaned oil wells and the tar sands mines. Its in the hundreds of billions of liability.

Good luck with that.

Even Danny wants to continue subsidizing the cleanup of old wells with taxpayers money.

[newguy]

Some things like food and energy are national security importance .To diversify energy sources is more important than ever with the world's political state.Many see alternative energy as waste of time and money .But without it we will even more addicted to fossil feuls handing over all our money to our dealers with no other options.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Some things like food and energy are national security importance .To diversify energy sources is more important than ever with the world's political state.Many see alternative energy as waste of time and money .But without it we will even more addicted to fossil feuls handing over all our money to our dealers with no other options.

Unless of course you happen to live in the country with the third largest fossil fuel reserves in the world. And some of the most arable land per capita in the world.