Another Antivaxer Convoy In Saskatchewan

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck and many other Agriviller's are waiting for you to answer his question in post 78


"If you are opposed to wealth redistribution are you going to send back your subsidies?"


You know, interest free cash advances, crop insurance, CEBA, etc etc.

A "Libertarian" participating in the Government of Canada and Trudeau's hand outs.

Let's hear your answer to this wealth redistribution regarding yourself.

The same answer as applies to the CO2 tax as previously discussed.
Canada almost alone is falling on its own sword with a CO2 tax, well the rest of the world carries on with business as usual happily taking the industries that are fleeing our uncompetitive environment.
Taking a one-man stand against distorting, unnecessary, damaging government programs is no different than Canada instituting a CO2 tax when none of our competition does it. How do I stay in business when my neighbor takes advantage of every government program, and I don't?
And I assure you, we pay far far far more taxes then we could ever get back in the government programs. It's hardly a wealth redistribution scheme, in this case

[foragefarmer]

The same answer as applies to the CO2 tax as previously discussed.
Canada almost alone is falling on its own sword with a CO2 tax, well the rest of the world carries on with business as usual happily taking the industries that are fleeing our uncompetitive environment.
Taking a one-man stand against distorting, unnecessary, damaging government programs is no different than Canada instituting a CO2 tax when none of our competition does it. How do I stay in business when my neighbor takes advantage of every government program, and I don't?
And I assure you, we pay far far far more taxes then we could ever get back in the government programs. It's hardly a wealth redistribution scheme, in this case

So basically as a Libertarian the Government of Canada and Trudeau are keeping your farm afloat because you can't compete with your neighbors who you assume are involved in Government programs.

You mention "WE" pay taxes are you referring to yourself paying income tax because that would mean your farm is operating in the positive, or are you referring to the rest of us on Agriville who pay income tax and compete against our neighbors without taking CEBA or interest free cash advances?

So my hard work on my farm and paid income tax dollars keep your farm in business.

Didn't you mention not that long ago you have oil lease rights on your farm?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So basically as a Libertarian the Government of Canada and Trudeau are keeping your farm afloat because you can't compete with your neighbors who you assume are involved in Government programs.

You mention "WE" pay taxes are you referring to yourself paying income tax because that would mean your farm is operating in the positive, or are you referring to the rest of us on Agriville who pay income tax and compete against our neighbors without taking CEBA or interest free cash advances?

So my hard work on my farm and paid income tax dollars keep your farm in business.

Didn't you mention not that long ago you have oil lease rights on your farm?

I say "we" because the farm Corp pays a lot of taxes, and both myself and my spouse pay a lot of taxes from the income we take out. And if you go back further, while I was working for a living trying to make enough capital to buy land to farm, I paid huge taxes at the highest personal rates, with no write offs, and no subsidies.
Being competitive is not the same thing as being profitable. But when land comes up for sale, or rent, those values are exactly where the marginal profit from such subsidies rears it's ugly head. As a young, expanding farmer, that is what I refer to as competitiveness.
The same as the CO2 tax. If a business can make a 5% profit margin in Canada, but at 8% profit margin doing the same energy intensive process overseas, they will go with the higher margin.
Now if you want to elect me to office, my first order of business will be eliminating all subsidies of all kinds to all businesses.
We do have a few oil and gas leases, yes. Why do you ask? When I was first buying land and paying for it with off of farm income, buying land with lease revenue seemed like a godsend. Now, trying to work around themwith big equipment, and lease revenue which has not kept pace with commodity inflation, and working around pipelines which do not pay in any way shape or form, it is no longer the windfall it once was.
Don't have any mineral rights if that's what you are asking.
And thank you for having a civil conversation on the topic.

[chuckChuck]

So A5 your answer is you are not going to send back your farm subsidies. LOL

So are you advocating cutting subsidy programs to all of oil and agriculture?

That would mean the oil industry would have to pay for all the cleanup of abandoned, suspended and orphaned oil wells and the tar sands mines. Its in the hundreds of billions of liability.

Good luck with that.

Even Danny wants to continue subsidizing the cleanup of old wells with taxpayers money.

[newguy]

Some things like food and energy are national security importance .To diversify energy sources is more important than ever with the world's political state.Many see alternative energy as waste of time and money .But without it we will even more addicted to fossil feuls handing over all our money to our dealers with no other options.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Some things like food and energy are national security importance .To diversify energy sources is more important than ever with the world's political state.Many see alternative energy as waste of time and money .But without it we will even more addicted to fossil feuls handing over all our money to our dealers with no other options.

Unless of course you happen to live in the country with the third largest fossil fuel reserves in the world. And some of the most arable land per capita in the world.

[chuckChuck]

So A5 your answer is you are not going to send back your farm subsidies. LOL

[wmoebis]

Unless of course you happen to live in the country with the third largest fossil fuel reserves in the world. And some of the most arable land per capita in the world.

But really What does that gain us?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So A5 your answer is you are not going to send back your farm subsidies. LOL

How about if I, and all the other farmers, and all of the energy companies send back the net of all the subsidies they have received minus all of the taxes they have paid

Would you agree to that?

[newguy]

Unless of course you happen to live in the country with the third largest fossil fuel reserves in the world. And some of the most arable land per capita in the world.

Would you sell your grain to Canadians for 10 bucks when the world price is 25?? Oil supply and demand is a global one just like food.Global companies involved also.

[foragefarmer]

How about if I, and all the other farmers, and all of the energy companies send back the net of all the subsidies they have received minus all of the taxes they have paid

Would you agree to that?

How about all the farmers, other business sectors, and Canadians who pay income tax and don't receive subsidies and contribute to the Canadian economy immensely.

The point here is don't come on Agriville continually bitching and pointing fingers at every other Canadian or Canadian enterprise regarding wealth redistribution when your farm is fully vested in it.

Your posts definitely put you on that side of fence.

[furrowtickler]

Would you sell your grain to Canadians for 10 bucks when the world price is 25?? Oil supply and demand is a global one just like food.Global companies involved also.

We did that under the CWB , never again

[chuckChuck]

So how do you justify Conservative support for supply managed dairy and poultry?

Even Crypto supports state intervention and marketing boards that set the price for all supply managed products guaranteeing farmers the cost of production plus very good profits.

[Guest]

We did that under the CWB , never again

Net farm income went up 15% in 2013 , and then 10% in each of the next 3 years in Sk
Can you guess what happened in 2012?

[furrowtickler]

So how do you justify Conservative support for supply managed dairy and poultry?

Even Crypto supports state intervention and marketing boards that set the price for all supply managed products guaranteeing farmers the cost of production plus very good profits.

This has been hashed over about 1000 times
You can control production of dairy and poultry so it works.
You cant effectively control grain production, so supply management is a waste of time .