Another Antivaxer Convoy In Saskatchewan

[cropgrower]

Yes because the cons know we dont have the money for useless projects , liberals dont care where the money comes from

[Hamloc]

Without subsidies its still the cheapest form of electricity in many countries .

And the fossil fuel industry is also subsidized and doesn't pay the full cost of pollution and harm which drives up total costs even further.

When you cost compare between solar generated electricity and say natural gas you are comparing apples and oranges. Natural gas is capable of producing electricity 24 hours a day, solar is not. What is the actual price of electricity produced for a full 24 hour cycle from solar? Think about it. You would need a very large battery than twice as many solar panels because half of the panels would produce power to be used during the day, the other half would charge the battery. The real cost of producing electricity 24 hours a day with solar would be at least 3 times what is reported. Chuck do you only require electricity during the daylight hours?

[Guest]

Newguy I asked you this question in a different thread you never responded. You are obviously in favour of the carbon tax, can you tell me how it has positively affected your farm?!

A little math for you. Under Justin Trudeau’s “make Canadian energy unaffordable plan” the carbon tax will be $170 a tonne by 2030. The carbon tax on natural gas will be $8.70 a gigajoule at that point. Today the carbon tax $3.33 a gigajoule and the market price of natural gas $2.85. The carbon tax in 2030 will be more than the carbon tax and cost of natural gas today. Does that seem reasonable to you?

And with that , Chuck/newguy gone …….

[fjlip]

Permanently gone to Libtard heaven...Threads

[parsley]

Where is Jagmeet from again , and what was his political movement in India 🇮🇳?
I forgot , just askin

Jagmeet is a terrorist.

But I’ll put ten cents on the table that when the lice comes sweats out m of the roaming woman, she’s been hired by the Pharmas. Perfect ruse.

[newguy]

And with that , Chuck/newguy gone …….

I have said before I do not like any taxes.But it seems everyone loves Moe taxes.explain.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

It is important to diversify our energy needs.It would be irresponsible for a country not to.

If you were an investment advisor, recommending we diversify our portfolio, this would be the equivalent of you insisting we add Bre-X, Enron, some penny stocks, a few Ponzi schemes, a buggy whip manufacturer and blockbuster video.

Diversification would indicate that the added generation somehow compliments or otherwise improves the reliability or affordability of the existing generation.
When the power grid is based on the most reliable, cheapest home grown energy already, adding Chinese built solar panels, with the inherent unreliability/unpredictability and higher costs which weather dependent generation entails, is the equivalent of throwing a turd into the punch bowl and calling it diversity.

I suspect that your use of the word "needs" as in diversify our energy needs, instead of our energy production was a Freudian slip, but a very apt one. Renewables are literally an energy need, a net energy consumer, a net drain on society.
Well played.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I have said before I do not like any taxes.But it seems everyone loves Moe taxes.explain.

That is an odd statement.

Personally, as a citizen of a first world country who appreciates the level of services and security which our taxes provide, I appreciate that we need to pay taxes. If you compare this to other countries or societies without such rule of law and safety nets, I think the taxes we pay are a bargain for what it enables. Doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement on the spending side, but all in all, much better than the anarchy which is the alternative.

But not all taxes are created equally. Some discourage wealth generation and productivity(regressive income taxes, capital gains taxes, wealth taxes) some discourage reckless behaviour or spending which does not contribute to the productive economy( sin taxes, luxury taxes)

I will choose consumption taxes which allow a prudent tax payer/saver/investor to chose to minimize their tax burden and use the savings to invest in the real economy. Don't buy a boat/escalade/gas guzzler/alcohol/cigarettes etc. and you won't pay the taxes on you hard earned money.

We don't get that option with a regressive income tax scheme, where the more we work the more we are punished. No matter how wisely we might want to invest our hard earned income, we are only left with the after tax portion, the same as the most irresponsible spender. Everyone is guilty until proven innocent and the government decides how to invest our tax dollars, not the taxpayers.

CO2 tax is just another consumption tax under the guise of saving the world. Just call it a consumption tax and don't disproportionately target the productive energy consuming businesses, and I will support it over any income tax. I was very disappointed when Stephen Harper lowered the GST to try to buy votes from the economically ignorant.

[newguy]

If you were an investment advisor, recommending we diversify our portfolio, this would be the equivalent of you insisting we add Bre-X, Enron, some penny stocks, a few Ponzi schemes, a buggy whip manufacturer and blockbuster video.

Diversification would indicate that the added generation somehow compliments or otherwise improves the reliability or affordability of the existing generation.
When the power grid is based on the most reliable, cheapest home grown energy already, adding Chinese built solar panels, with the inherent unreliability/unpredictability and higher costs which weather dependent generation entails, is the equivalent of throwing a turd into the punch bowl and calling it diversity.

I suspect that your use of the word "needs" as in diversify our energy needs, instead of our energy production was a Freudian slip, but a very apt one. Renewables are literally an energy need, a net energy consumer, a net drain on society.
Well played.

If governments did not look into investing in what is important for the future grain farming would have been abandoned in Canada in the 80s.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

If governments did not look into investing in what is important for the future grain farming would have been abandoned in Canada in the 80s.

That's why I was so surprised to hear an avowed socialist such as yourself making the claim that you don't like taxes. Whereas you make statements such as this where you want the government to do and pay for everything, solve every problem, make all decisions for you. But you don't want to be the one paying for it.
Good thing there is always other people's money.

[Hamloc]

If governments did not look into investing in what is important for the future grain farming would have been abandoned in Canada in the 80s.

Well you apparently are unable to or simply refuse to respond to my question on how the carbon tax has positively affected your farm. Maybe you can explain to me what government investments were made in the eighty’s that make it possible for me to grain farm today?!

[newguy]

Well you apparently are unable to or simply refuse to respond to my question on how the carbon tax has positively affected your farm. Maybe you can explain to me what government investments were made in the eighty’s that make it possible for me to grain farm today?!

The whole discussion was the carbon tax caused global inflation.Yet Moe tax has no influence.In the 80s and 90s there was a few disaster payments .Grip was no perfect deal but a person was thrown just enough to keep going.Many years the world had enough grain without Canada selling any.demand was low until ethanol plants started up to use up the glut of grains and boast grain orices.Ethanol never penciled out many years either but grain farmers were hooped without that market.

[furrowtickler]

The whole discussion was the carbon tax caused global inflation.Yet Moe tax has no influence.In the 80s and 90s there was a few disaster payments .Grip was no perfect deal but a person was thrown just enough to keep going.Many years the world had enough grain without Canada selling any.demand was low until ethanol plants started up to use up the glut of grains and boast grain orices.Ethanol never penciled out many years either but grain farmers were hooped without that market.

No …. But it’s a huge part of inflation that grossly underestimated…… like compounding interest

[furrowtickler]

I like many others don’t like or agree with the Moe tax even remotely, many of us have said so . But the federal carbon tax is a completely different animal out of a cage that you and a handful of others here will never acknowledge.
Simply because you hate your perceived succes of your neighbours , for once be honest with yourself.
But the percentage of non taxpayers in Sask is very high , someone had to pay the bills

[furrowtickler]

It’s become so petty it’s embarrassing now