Murray Mandryk: Moe ignores 'irreparable harm' to kids in Saskatchewan

[SmallTimeOperator]

The Saskatchewan position on the pronouns and name changes is very moderate. They are not saying kids can’t do it. They are just saying that parents need to know if the kid is under 16. And if the kid is not ready, then the kid needs to see a counsellor and come up with a plan of how to tell the parents. This does not out anybody. This does not harm anybody. And all the woke parents like Chuck can approve it if they like. This does not stop anything. It just give parents a little bit of transparency from the school.

But in fact I don’t think it goes far enough. How about lets take some of it out of the curriculum, as currently in Sask, kids start learning about this stuff in grade 3, the lowest age of any province. Ontario is grade 5. That could change in my opinion too.

[Taiga]

It’s well documented in recent new articles that majority of Canadians of all political stripes from national polling do not support this gender bending being pushed on us and our kids. You are in the tiny tiny minority if you think it is ok chuckles.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

It’s well documented in recent new articles that majority of Canadians of all political stripes from national polling do not support this gender bending being pushed on us and our kids. You are in the tiny tiny minority if you think it is ok chuckles.

I for one, appreciate that Chuck is willing to take the unpopular side in virtually every debate, however ineffective and hopeless his attempts might be, at least he gets full credit for never taking the easy way out. It makes for a lively debate when someone is willing to be on the wrong side, if only because he wants to be hard to get along with.
And in most cases, his support for hairbrained left/woke/marxist causes is mostly harmless.
But supporting this child abuse is a bridge too far. The perpetrators of this are going to find themselves on the wrong side of the legal system, and anyone who supported it, will face the wrath of the court of public opinion. The internet is forever. Supporting this will come back to haunt even those who just do so because all the other cool kids are supporting it.

I would stick with global warming and not have my name associated with this in any way, if I were Chuck.

[TSIPP]

If a kid decides to change their pronoun do they use a different washroom? I’m betting the name change is the least of the problems…..

[chuckChuck]

How many of you know well a transgender person, child or a family? I am betting none do because this affects about 0.3% of the population according to statistics Canada.

I don't either. So its very difficult to understand the issues at stake here.

Likening this issue to child abuse is completely off the rails and absurd. The vast majority transgender people wait till adulthood for any medical interventions.

The judge and child advocates clearly said this will likely cause irreparable mental harm to the small subset of kids who don't live in a unconditionally supportive loving family.

So Curly Moe needs to weigh the much more serious harm done to a small subset of the population against the political advantage of making this a parental right.

On that front he has done a terrible job of consulting and weighing the impact of the real harm that can result in mental anguish and suicide in some cases of kids who will be shunned, kicked out and abused by their parents for wanting to identify as a different gender.

The previous policy was working fine apparently, because there was no issue untill in 2023 the culture wars moved north.

[chuckChuck]

opinion
Support for trans kids and parent-child relationships are not mutually exclusive
Lee Airton, Scout Gray, Jake Pyne, Mik Turje and Tracy Whitmore
Contributed to The Globe and Mail
Published September 21, 2023

Lee Airton is an assistant professor of gender and sexuality studies in education at Queen’s University. Scout Gray is an education and youth engagement specialist with the non-profit SOGI 1 2 3. Jake Pyne is an assistant professor at the York University School of Social Work. Mik Turje and Tracy Whitmore are social workers specializing in ***** and trans community support.

This summer, the New Brunswick and Saskatchewan governments issued policies that require schools to secure parental consent before a transgender student under 16 is called by their chosen name and pronouns at school.

It makes sense that these policies poll well. Parents are scared that their own child might be living a different life at school than at home, gender-wise, and that everybody else knows but no one will tell them. But parents are also scared because politicians and partisans are telling an incomplete story, for political gain, about what happens when a transgender student comes out at school first: that parents are automatically excluded based on an assumption that they will harm their child if they find out.

Proponents of this incomplete story argue that parents are pivotal people in their children’s lives and must play a central role.

We agree. We are researchers and professionals with expertise in school policy and practices related to gender and sexuality, and in the****utic support for transgender young people and their parents.


As experts, we know that a transgender young person’s best interests are served by a strong parent-child relationship, where they experience their parents’ unconditional love and care, and are affirmed in the gender identity that they are currently expressing. We also know that parents with questions and concerns – even those struggling with their own feelings and views – will not do harm simply because they have questions and concerns. They can have questions, be concerned, and be loving, caring and safe people in their child’s life. Parents of transgender or gender-questioning kids require empathy, compassion and support from other adults.

We believe a transgender student’s best interests are served when school staff take an active role in supporting parent-child relationships. This includes supporting a transgender student in coming to feel safe and comfortable sharing their gender information with their parents, whenever possible. In our experience, this is typically what happens in schools. In fact, it is very rare that school staff respond to a transgender student’s request for confidentiality only by taking steps to ensure that this information stays private. This typically happens when there is evidence that a student is at risk of harm from their parents.

This caution is not unwarranted. The 2019 TransPulse Canada survey of 991 trans youth (ages 14 to 24) found that one in four had family members who stopped speaking to them or ended the relationship due to the youth’s gender identity. Others reported being kicked out of the house, being threatened with violence, or experiencing violence from a family member.

However, the same study also found that six in 10 trans youth were respected and supported by their parents. We believe that school policy can guide staff in supporting a transgender student coming out to their parents without sacrificing safety, autonomy or access to supportive adults, in situations where there is no evidence that coming out could put them in harm’s way.

We support transgender students communicating with their parents in a way that centres the student’s agency and pace. The approach described in the Saskatchewan and New Brunswick policies risks non-consensual “outing” and will result in transgender youth simply not accessing supportive adults at school. We suggest an approach that involves affirming the student, supporting them and their parents simultaneously, assessing with the student their reasons for not yet having shared their gender identity, and – as long as there is no potential for harm – planning for this important conversation alongside the student when they are ready. This approach is outlined in our document No For Now: Guidance for School Staff on Supporting Transgender Students and Parent-Child Relationships, at nofornow.ca.

Polarization has produced a looming crisis for trans young people at school that is rapidly moving away from evidence, compassion and common sense. We will not mince our words. If the Saskatchewan and New Brunswick policies are defeated in pending court challenges that invoke the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and those governments use the notwithstanding clause to proceed, they will end up legislating harm to extremely vulnerable children and youth by forcing transgender students under 16 to either be prematurely outed or to experience circumstances that contribute to increased suicide attempts, including being called by a name and/or pronouns that do not reflect their gender identity. Research has made this link extremely clear.

This cannot be what happens in Canada. Another way is possible.

[sumdumguy]

Jenna

Murray Mandryk is kooky, IMHO. He just says weird stuff to get the masses riled and then it is justification to keep his phoney balogne job. He’s timed - out, ready for 2 nd floor.

[sumdumguy]

I don’t think anyone on here is insensitive to kids’ needs. No one wishes to fuel uncertainty in their growing minds. While they are growing up they do best with certainty, knowing everyone loves who they are. That is the wish most of us have, that they be secure in themselves and all this hoopla and “gender” talk is casting doubt in their very central being. CRAZY

[chuckChuck]

From the experts above:

"We believe a transgender student’s best interests are served when school staff take an active role in supporting parent-child relationships. This includes supporting a transgender student in coming to feel safe and comfortable sharing their gender information with their parents, whenever possible. In our experience, this is typically what happens in schools. In fact, it is very rare that school staff respond to a transgender student’s request for confidentiality only by taking steps to ensure that this information stays private. This typically happens when there is evidence that a student is at risk of harm from their parents."

[jazz]

There are NO trans or LGBTQ whatever kids until they have crossed over puberty, period. Once they have reached the age of 18, they can have at er. Cut off whatever you want.

I should post some pics of the gender affirming care and see what chuck thinks of that. You wont change a persons gender with surgery, just create a class of mutilated outcasts.