When it comes food price inflation in Canada, grocery stores aren’t the only issue

[Guest]

This is absolutely hilarious. You spent $75-100K cash on a system with no residual value at the end. Thats the most uneconomic virtue signal I have ever heard of.

Little math for you; $75K buys you 1500 shares of Enbridge stock which pays you $562 per month. Is your farm power bill more than $562 per month year round.

Insanity.

Steinbach credit union pays 5.6% which gives you $350/month , more on over $100k

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Most people have a way more tied up in their recreation toys that pay nothing.

So your economic analysis of the feasibility of solar panels has progressed from They cost about the same as a new pickup truck, to some people spend More than that on an RV. Because that's how it's done in the business world. You compare one bad investment to an even worse investment, and do it anyways.
Have you considered comparing that to an investment in land?

Then you expect us to believe that you are a capitalist farmer with assets worth millions. Based on your business acumen indicated above, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that your generation isn't the one who amassed the millions, but instead are busy squandering your inheritance.

[chuckChuck]

8 cents per Kwh locked in over 25 years vs an ever rising electricity price?

Once we know what the price is in 20 more years lets do the math then.

It's not a big money maker by any means and I didn't do it for the money, but the panels will more than pay for themselves over their lifetime.

And I have been farming for 40 years and my parents had 5 1/4s when they retired in 1981 and we currently farm close to 40. So yes my parents helped like most parents do.

But do you think after 40 years your success is still dependent on your parents? Maybe yours but not mine.

So a guy who runs cows is going to give lessons on the economics of farming? LOL

Those are real 4 legged money makers occasionally!

[cropgrower]

you must feel very privileged to own near 40 quarters of stolen land

[AlbertaFarmer5]

8 cents per Kwh locked in over 25 years vs an ever rising electricity price?

Once we know what the price is in 20 more years lets do the math then.

So a guy who runs cows is going to give lessons on the economics of farming? LOL

Those are real 4 legged money makers occasionally!

You keep telling us that solar and wind are the cheapest generation possible. And that we will keep adding more and more and more in the future. So why do you know claim that electricity will get more expensive in the future? Shouldn't it get cheaper in the future if we're using more of the cheapest source of generation? Do you not believe your own propaganda?
As for cows, we are completely out of the cow business now. The economics million-dollar land and cows just don't mix.

[Hamloc]

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Did you forget the price of natural gas also went up Hamloc? LOL Gas is the biggest supplier of electricity in Alberta isn't it?

Plus Alberta's electrical system is deregulated and they charge what the market will bear.

Rates for farmers are cheaper in "socialist" regulated Saskatchewan.

Actually Chuck2, the price of natural gas is roughly half of what it was in Nov. Dec. of 2022. $2.85 a gigajoule now, it was almost $6 11 months ago. So wrong again. Now if you had pointed out the carbon tax was up 30% year over year on that natural gas you would be correct.

[Guest]

Oh , oh
Chucky kinda stuck his foot in his mouth there , lol

[blackpowder]

Someone touched a nerve. He divulged something personal. It's always those with telling others how to live without. And it's never willed to charity. LOL

[chuckChuck]

you must feel very privileged to own near 40 quarters of stolen land

I don't own it all by any means.

Yes I do feel privileged to own farm land that was once owned and occupied by first nations people and then given to settlers while the first nations were discriminated against and in many cases starved on to small uneconomic reserves where they were treated badly.

That's why governments are talking about reconciliation and settling treaty land claims that were never settled.

[chuckChuck]

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Actually Chuck2, the price of natural gas is roughly half of what it was in Nov. Dec. of 2022. $2.85 a gigajoule now, it was almost $6 11 months ago. So wrong again. Now if you had pointed out the carbon tax was up 30% year over year on that natural gas you would be correct.

Gas prices go up and down. But how do you know when and whether the utilities pass on the savings to consumers?

Saskatchewan has regulated rates that are cheaper than Albertas. They also are installing lots of wind and some solar.

How do you know how much renewable additions are costing consumers? You don't.

And we know that IRENA said that renewables saved many consumers from the higher costs of fossil fuel generation.

"Renewable Power Generation Costs in 2022, published by the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) today shows that the renewable power added in 2022 reduced the fuel bill of the electricity sector worldwide. New capacity added since 2000 reduced the electricity sector fuel bill in 2022 by at least USD 520 billion. In non-OECD countries, just the saving over the lifetime of new capacity additions in 2022 will reduce costs by up to USD 580 billion.

In addition to these direct cost savings, there would be substantial economic benefits from reducing CO2 emissions and local air pollutants. Without the deployment of renewables over the last two decades, the economic disruption from the fossil fuel price shock in 2022 would have been much worse and possibly beyond many governments ability to soften with public funding."

[Guest]

I don't own it all by any means.

Yes I do feel privileged to own farm land that was once owned and occupied by first nations people and then given to settlers while the first nations were discriminated against and in many cases starved on to small uneconomic reserves where they were treated badly.

That's why governments are talking about reconciliation and settling treaty land claims that were never settled.

Just give it back ?? If it’s really bothering you
You do too much “talking the talk”
Instead of “walking the walk”
I bet you’ve never even had a native work for you , like a lot of the rest of us have , and with reserves all around you
Some of the best , nicest workers I have come across

[cropgrower]

see how he said his land was given to the settlers LOL . so no need for him to give anything back LOL . all the other land that we farm was stolen LOL . we are the bad guys LOL

[blackpowder]

You can buy whatever you want if you're using free cash I suppose....
Didn't make sense, doesn't make sense, and won't make sense for some time into the future either. Now we know the rest of the story.

[chuckChuck]

see how he said his land was given to the settlers LOL . so no need for him to give anything back LOL . all the other land that we farm was stolen LOL . we are the bad guys LOL

Yes the land was stolen.

But you blame first nation for all their problems instead of understanding what happened to them.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Yes the land was stolen.

But you blame first nation for all their problems instead of understanding what happened to them.

And what are you, yourself, personally doing to improve the situation?

Does your charity extend beyond lecturing farmers on an internet forum?