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    Senators-elect meet with Ralph Klein

    Citizens Centre for Freedom and Democracy

    WEEKLY COMMENTARY
    "Just Between Us"

    December 13, 2004

    Senators-elect meet with Ralph Klein

    People have been asking me since Alberta's election on November 22, "Well, what about this Senate business? Are you going to push for appointment, or was it all just a $3-million waste of time?"

    Good question, but it won't be answered by me. It will be answered by Ralph Klein.

    If the premier decides to make democratizing Parliament a high priority, much good may come of this election.

    If Albertans can persuade even two or three other provinces to start electing replacement candidates for the Senate, as we do in Alberta when incumbents retire, we could see reform almost immediately.

    Most Canadians support this change, and the power of democracy should not be underestimated, even in Canada.

    Our pitch to the other provinces will be that if they take the initiative and start holding elections, they will be able to claim permanent ownership of the election process. Thereafter, senators will be answerable to provincial political parties, not national ones.

    That would give the premiers considerable influence over the future Senate -- more, in fact, than the Prime Minister.

    Meanwhile, the pitch to Martin will be that if he appoints only elected replacements, he'll get all the credit for Senate reform without losing personal control of Parliament's upper house during his own term of office.

    The transition from appointed to elected senators would take a decade to complete, long after Martin is gone.

    During that transition, Canadians can decide if elected senators are better than the old patronage appointees. If they aren't, the policy can be reversed.

    The idea of electing federal members to the upper chamber of Parliament seems radical in Canada, but is a matter of course everywhere else. Even hidebound Britain is moving towards democratizing the House of Lords.

    Here in Canada we should at least try to keep up with the Ukraine on democratic reform. The problem there is that one man has far too much power. The same problem exists here.

    In Canada, the prime minister has the final say over selection of all senators, cabinet ministers, government caucus MPs, superior court judges, the governor-general, and heads of national boards, agencies, corporations and commissions.

    We should not be the only modern country with no democratic input into the selection of appellate court judges, with power over issues like homosexual marriage. In other federal systems, judicial nominees are screened by an independent Senate with the power of veto.

    Martin can easily brush off Albertans. Liberals always do. But if Albertans are joined by, say, British Columbians, Manitobans, Nova Scotians and Newfoundlanders, what then?

    How many Canadians can Martin--or any other prime minister--afford to offend?

    So the challenge in the New Year will be to spread Senate reform to other provinces.

    To this end, our little caucus of four Senate-electees met with Premier Klein last week. Somewhat to my surprise and much to my delight, the premier exhibited real interest in the cause, and the more he listened, the more enthused he became.

    He said it makes little long-term difference whether Martin follows through on his threat to fill Alberta's three vacant Senate seats with patronage appointees right away. The premier said he would "vigorously pursue" the issue anyway.

    I hope he does, because he's in a position to do this country a lot of good.

    - Link Byfield

    #2
    I hope our government doesn't decide to pay these folks an honorarium and send them to sit in Ottawa waiting to be appointed to the Senate. Lord knows we have enough people in Ottawa sitting costing us money without sending these four to add to the payroll !!!

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      #3
      I hope that they got a good lunch at our expence at least.

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        #4
        If Klein went through the whole excercise just to play "Ottawa basher" then it indeed was a waste of time.
        But consider this: The people of Alberta elected four people to represent them in Ottawa. If they aren't "appointed" then in fact do we have a fair and just system? Wasn't the American revolution fought on the very concept of "taxation without representation"?
        Wouldn't it be entirely concievable that our premier could say to Ottawa: You won't recognize our elected Senators...we won't recognize your right to tax us? Is this not a valid argument? Isn't this the very reason America broke away from England to become a seperate nation?

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          #5
          I would hope that our PM would appoint senators of HIS choosing. Under the present constitution, there are NO elected or pseudo-elected senators no matter what Ralph Klein says or what stupid legislation is in effect in Alberta.

          As far as paying these "senators-in-waiting" is concerned...NEVER.

          If Ralph wants to pay them, let it come out of his own pocket. We are paying for enough deadwood already.

          Waste of money...yes the whole senatorial election was indeed a waste. Waste of money...not to worry as long as this government has it's grubhooks on the revenue stream. Just sell a few more billion dollars of our oil or natural gas resources.

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            #6
            Yes, in Alberta alone it cost over $3 million for the senate election, or around $750,000 per wannabe senator. The number of spoiled or unmarked ballots was phenomenal, so was this a good use of taxpayers money? I think NOT.

            Can anybody tell me what the senators actually do? Ever sit in on a session in the Senate? Pretty rousing stuff!!! Do we need more people on the gravy train?

            One thing I've noticed over the years is that someone on the outside always points out the problems and then once on the inside, there are no more problems. Go figure.

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              #7
              The only senator that I hear making any noise is Tommy Banks. He is on a mission to get us to stop driving SUV's!

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                #8
                Okay, so that makes one out of how many senators? How long will he be making noise for - throughout the "One Tonne Challenge?"

                Does anyone know if his vehicle (or limo) is a hybrid?

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                  #9
                  Have no clue what the man drives. I was shocked to hear that any senator was being vocal about anything to tell you the truth !
                  I think that Senate reform is a necessary thing in Canada, but too many of the appointees are cronies of the government in power no matter which government it is at the time, so no-one has the 'guts' to take the bull by the horns and initiate these reforms. I wonder what the average age of senators is ?

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                    #10
                    Well, my guess would be a couple of things: (a) that they spent enough money on the study that he (Banks)was responsible for (b) the government has to make some noise about wanting people to cut down on GHG emissions because the Kyoto accord does come into effect in 2008 and that isn't so very far away.

                    I would hazard a guess that the average age would put them in the mid-sixties?

                    (Boy emrald - both yourself and cowman are up before the chickens.)

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