America the Just

[jensend]

the neocons will leave the usa weaker militarily, economically and socially. they will also be more susceptible to terrorist attack because their invasion of iraq leaves them more isolated and with less cooperation in combatting al-qaida. this administration is a big step in the demise of the american empire.

[farmers_son]

Farmranger: I agree 100% with your post on Brazil. None of the Canadian parties are perfect, that is for sure.

And while there are examples in American history where greatness was shown I have not seen much of that lately.

[ivbinconned]

wilago, once again its bla bla from you with out any specifics. Please, please just take one or all of Frums piece, disect it, and tell show us error. And do it without the insults.

But further to try and demonstate my point, about yours and others predictble anti-American attitude while at the same time embracing or ignoring the garbage in our own house, let me copy and paste part of your silly post here and show how your critisisms apply here too.

"America may HAVE been the land of the 'just' at one time but it has in my opinion morphed into a state manipulated by special interests."

You could replace the word "America" with "Canada" and the same truth applies. duh!

The difference between you and me is that you get some theripudic comfort critcizing anything American but keep your rose colored glasses firmly in place when confronted with the realities here at home.

You deny the truth that your reason shows you...pity. But very liberal! Its what our society eccels at isn't it...denying reality.

Lets clean up our house instead of practicing the "lieberal" tactic of deflecting all our attention and anger at others, where, incidently we have no influence.

Just one last comment(farmers-son) as to your desire for a leader with business back ground. If the man who was the financial controler of YOUR company was discovered to have squandered million's or billions on useless ideas and bribery I suspect you would want him fired!

[silverback]

f_s, "none of the canadian parties are perfect".

Please stop trying to convince us that the conservatives are the same party that got kicked out 13 years ago because of free trade, helicopters, and the GST. The conservative party as it exists now has never been in power and it's policies are different, as are it's members.

And while you liberals are at it, keep glossing over the overindulgence the Liberals have enjoyed on our taxdollars for the past 12.

[cowman]

We should remember that all Americans aren't neo cons(whatever that means)? A good percentage of them thought it was dumb to go to war with Iraq, despite the drivel you get on CNN?
Personally I'm am apalled by the hostage taking incident! These people, good people, believing they were doing was right are now going to die...for what? I can only feel empathy for their families.
Bush screwed up...not America. He is so darned bull headed he just can't see the forest for the trees! Has he ever, even once admitted he was wrong...on anything?

[FarmRanger]

Hehe cowman, have you ever known a politician to admit to making a mistake? Except maybe Svend, who pretty well had no choice, as he was caught red-handed on surveillance tape stealing the $50K ring. From what I can tell, neo-con is a derogatory term used to imply some sinister affiliation.

I also hope those hostages get out unharmed. They were over there trying to make peace, you’d think the hostage takers would let them go. Mindless hate has definitely warped their judgment, how do you deal with people like that? They terrorize the local population as well, but can’t extort as much out of foreign governments by kidnapping locals.

Hey Wilagro, would you consider Bombardier to be a special interest group? They sure seem to get a lot of pandering? I don’t think we would appear very innocent in comparison of national sport of pandering (2nd only to hockey).

And farmers_son, I wasn’t talking about all political parties. It was specifically the Liberal party that had their own BSE BS policy. And it came back to haunt us. If a Conservative government had pulled that boneheaded move, I’m guessing it wouldn’t have ever been forgotten. I do find it a little funny that Harper was once a Liberal, shows there might be hope for you yet. Even Darth Vader eventually left the dark side. ;-)

I think we'd have to go back at least 12 years in Canadian politics to see much in the way of greatness displays.

[Horse]

It sure seems funy to me that a liberal is just plain old bad but a conserative is good
When I look back over the yrs they have all been good and bad, but as ivbeenconed wants to put anyone down he just calls them a liberal and everyone nods?
It is a sin that we have a liberal gov fedrly for 13 yr but it is a good thing we have a tory gov provincialy for 40 yr go figure .
I dont think very many of you have looked at the big picture all ypou can see is your tunnel vision ither lib or tory or nd, well I think any one of them could have good ideas and any one could form a good govmt given a chance. To bad it gets down to name calling wouldnt it be nice if people got credit for thier good ideas and for thier mistakes.
Ralph has made a carrier of picking fights with the feds and he is probably woried that if the torys win there goes his gig.

[ivbinconned]

Horse...its liberals that put farmers in jail for selling their own wheat. They then like to say they are open minded and tolerant...ya right.

As for the comments here about George Bush, lets not forget that HE didn't invade Iraq without the support of prominate Democrate's! Also, they were motivated by the fact that Sadam had slaughtered 200,000 Kurds, etc, etc, etc! I think if he felt sorry, and the democrate's felt sorry,and said so, for taking out this dictater who, incidently, never missed a chance to give the world the impression that he HAD WDM's...he would appoligize.

[cowman]

Well its funny Sadam was the greatest thing since pizza before he invaded Kuwait? He was just wonderful while he was gassing the Kurds? He was Americas man against the Iranians! And now he is evil?
The best thing that could happen is if they let Sadam go free and got every American out of that country? Old Sadam would whip those animals back into shape pretty fast!

[FarmRanger]

Let Sadam out? Yikes!
He'd butcher 10 times as many as he did before, because nobody would have the stomach to take him out again. He could parade nukes down the main street of Bagdad, and what would we do about it? Al Qaida terrorists (who are already there) would have a nice new base of operations, and would probably be running the country a month after any military pullout. Every other tinpot dictator in the world would take it as nod to do whatever nastiness they could dream up. Who would stop them, the United Nations? Please…

Something like 72% of Iraqis turned out to vote in their election last January. We get 2 inches of snow and we’d be lucky to get half that, and Canadians don’t have to worry about some maniac blowing themselves up at the polling station.

Like it or not, someone has to keep peace there until the Iraqis can maintain it on their own. I don’t think anyone would like the alternative, despite all the political rhetoric we hear.

[ivbinconned]

Since when do two wrongs make a right???

[wilagro]

FarmRanger: You bet I consider Bombardier a 'specisl interest group'. The frickin' Liberals have pandered to that corporation for years.
I will not defend the liberals or the 'old conservatives' for their misdeeds or corruption but I will defend Canada against attacks from the likes of David Frum. We have a different system here and if he doesn't like it...tough shit. He chose to bail out of Canada, and now he snipes at Canada every chance that he gets. The worst part is, he gets PAID for those articles that are printed in canadian newspapers...many are right-wing in their outlook.

David Frum is a tool...and a big one.