America the Just

[FarmRanger]

Ok F_S, I’ll bite. I’ll only address the one area of the article that you’ve made address agriculture.

Do you know anyone who lost cattle sales to Brazil when Liberal Prime Minister Chretien banned Brazilian beef for possible BSE contamination back in 2001? I do.
Let me refresh your memory of why in this excerpt from the following 2001 article.

Quote “The Canadian government rescinded its ban on imports of Brazilian beef on Friday, February 23 (2001).

The object of both widespread international criticism and opposition from within Canada's own Food Inspection Agency, the three-week ban was purportedly imposed because of fears that Brazilian beef might be contaminated with bovine spongiform encephalopathy or Mad Cow Disease.

In announcing the lifting of the ban, Canadian officials noted that Brazil had agreed henceforth to certify that any meat it exports to Canada has come only from cattle born in Brazil and after the imposition of a 1996 ban on feeding cattle with beef or sheep parts.

In diplomatic circles, however, it is conceded that the ban left the Canadian government with egg on its face.

From the start, the Brazilian government charged that the Canadian ban had nothing to do with concerns about the safety of Brazilian beef. Rather it was a not so subtle attempt to strike back at Brazil in an ongoing trade dispute over state subsidies to regional jet manufacturers. Brazil's Embraer S.A. is the principal rival of Canadian-based Canadair.
Canada's Liberal government imposed the ban on Brazilian beef at a time when the cabinet was known to be debating the imposition of trade sanctions against Brazil.”endquote
Full article at http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/feb2001/can-f26.shtml
Sound familiar? Canada overruling its own Food Inspection Agency! And all for the truly pathetic reason of protecting Canada’s favorite corporate welfare bum, Bombardier.

Better pick your stones more carefully before you start throwing them.

[cowman]

Does Power Corp. own any of Bombardier? Was there some sort of scandal where Power Corp. was involved in some crooked scheme to get around the rules of the Iraq embargo?
Does it ever concern anyone that this Quebec based family firm has so much influence in this country?
And actually FS I wouldn't be trotting out George Bushes record as a businessman? It is a remarkable tale of failures and collusion with the Bin Laden family! The old man knew how to make a buck but Shrub was pretty pathetic?

[jensend]

the neocons will leave the usa weaker militarily, economically and socially. they will also be more susceptible to terrorist attack because their invasion of iraq leaves them more isolated and with less cooperation in combatting al-qaida. this administration is a big step in the demise of the american empire.

[farmers_son]

Farmranger: I agree 100% with your post on Brazil. None of the Canadian parties are perfect, that is for sure.

And while there are examples in American history where greatness was shown I have not seen much of that lately.

[ivbinconned]

wilago, once again its bla bla from you with out any specifics. Please, please just take one or all of Frums piece, disect it, and tell show us error. And do it without the insults.

But further to try and demonstate my point, about yours and others predictble anti-American attitude while at the same time embracing or ignoring the garbage in our own house, let me copy and paste part of your silly post here and show how your critisisms apply here too.

"America may HAVE been the land of the 'just' at one time but it has in my opinion morphed into a state manipulated by special interests."

You could replace the word "America" with "Canada" and the same truth applies. duh!

The difference between you and me is that you get some theripudic comfort critcizing anything American but keep your rose colored glasses firmly in place when confronted with the realities here at home.

You deny the truth that your reason shows you...pity. But very liberal! Its what our society eccels at isn't it...denying reality.

Lets clean up our house instead of practicing the "lieberal" tactic of deflecting all our attention and anger at others, where, incidently we have no influence.

Just one last comment(farmers-son) as to your desire for a leader with business back ground. If the man who was the financial controler of YOUR company was discovered to have squandered million's or billions on useless ideas and bribery I suspect you would want him fired!

[silverback]

f_s, "none of the canadian parties are perfect".

Please stop trying to convince us that the conservatives are the same party that got kicked out 13 years ago because of free trade, helicopters, and the GST. The conservative party as it exists now has never been in power and it's policies are different, as are it's members.

And while you liberals are at it, keep glossing over the overindulgence the Liberals have enjoyed on our taxdollars for the past 12.

[cowman]

We should remember that all Americans aren't neo cons(whatever that means)? A good percentage of them thought it was dumb to go to war with Iraq, despite the drivel you get on CNN?
Personally I'm am apalled by the hostage taking incident! These people, good people, believing they were doing was right are now going to die...for what? I can only feel empathy for their families.
Bush screwed up...not America. He is so darned bull headed he just can't see the forest for the trees! Has he ever, even once admitted he was wrong...on anything?

[FarmRanger]

Hehe cowman, have you ever known a politician to admit to making a mistake? Except maybe Svend, who pretty well had no choice, as he was caught red-handed on surveillance tape stealing the $50K ring. From what I can tell, neo-con is a derogatory term used to imply some sinister affiliation.

I also hope those hostages get out unharmed. They were over there trying to make peace, you’d think the hostage takers would let them go. Mindless hate has definitely warped their judgment, how do you deal with people like that? They terrorize the local population as well, but can’t extort as much out of foreign governments by kidnapping locals.

Hey Wilagro, would you consider Bombardier to be a special interest group? They sure seem to get a lot of pandering? I don’t think we would appear very innocent in comparison of national sport of pandering (2nd only to hockey).

And farmers_son, I wasn’t talking about all political parties. It was specifically the Liberal party that had their own BSE BS policy. And it came back to haunt us. If a Conservative government had pulled that boneheaded move, I’m guessing it wouldn’t have ever been forgotten. I do find it a little funny that Harper was once a Liberal, shows there might be hope for you yet. Even Darth Vader eventually left the dark side. ;-)

I think we'd have to go back at least 12 years in Canadian politics to see much in the way of greatness displays.

[Horse]

It sure seems funy to me that a liberal is just plain old bad but a conserative is good
When I look back over the yrs they have all been good and bad, but as ivbeenconed wants to put anyone down he just calls them a liberal and everyone nods?
It is a sin that we have a liberal gov fedrly for 13 yr but it is a good thing we have a tory gov provincialy for 40 yr go figure .
I dont think very many of you have looked at the big picture all ypou can see is your tunnel vision ither lib or tory or nd, well I think any one of them could have good ideas and any one could form a good govmt given a chance. To bad it gets down to name calling wouldnt it be nice if people got credit for thier good ideas and for thier mistakes.
Ralph has made a carrier of picking fights with the feds and he is probably woried that if the torys win there goes his gig.

[ivbinconned]

Horse...its liberals that put farmers in jail for selling their own wheat. They then like to say they are open minded and tolerant...ya right.

As for the comments here about George Bush, lets not forget that HE didn't invade Iraq without the support of prominate Democrate's! Also, they were motivated by the fact that Sadam had slaughtered 200,000 Kurds, etc, etc, etc! I think if he felt sorry, and the democrate's felt sorry,and said so, for taking out this dictater who, incidently, never missed a chance to give the world the impression that he HAD WDM's...he would appoligize.