The plot thickens?

[cowman]

Just a sidenote farmers son: Please don't bring up anything up about silverback roasting grassfarmer and getting him in a snuff! I don't know how many anti-green type posts I had to make to lure him back here so I could continue to roast him! He is my favorite patsy.
Now having said that, realize that I do value grassfarmers posts and reluctantly I will admit he has made me think about some things from his perspective?
And also I do enjoy your posts and all the considerable effort you put into them. Hey if we all thought the same it would be a pretty boring world?

[silverback]

So sorry f_s, if they are your opinions then that is great, I should have called your post full of inuendo, speculation, and liberal spin. The problem for me is that I have a hard time deciphering between Liberal spin and outright false statements.

I will try to do better next time around.

[FarmRanger]

Don’t apologize silverback, innuendo that’s meant to distort the truth, should be called a lie. And f_s implying Harper is another Pat Robertson isn’t just innuendo or half truth, it’s downright slanderous. Very disappointing. Since Liberal attack ads are basically doing the same thing, we know where he gets it from.

Some of us posting here on Agriville would like nothing better than to see the Liberals get the punt, but we don’t stoop to posting half truths and lies in order to imply nefarious intentions.
Granted, we don’t have to make anything up; there is so much actual Liberal dirty laundry available without having to rely on fabrications.

[cowman]

Well I don't mind people ripping political parties, I think most people can see through the more blatant BS? The fact is Paul Martin is not squeaky clean and I think most people can see that.
The people of Canada will decide who is full of BS on Jan. 23...and right now it looks like they don't believe Martin...time will tell?
I'm not overly concerned about who gets elected down east, but it sure would be nice if Alberta and Saskatchewan went solid Tory Blue! As well as most of BC? I realize Vancouver won't. Too many gullible immigrants and left wing kooks for that to ever happen?

[farmers_son]

The reference to Pat Robertson came as a result of reading a column in the Washington Post that said the Conservatives moral policies would win the vote of any evangelist. Pat Robertson immediately came to mind. And the fact that I believe Pat Robertson would be quite comfortable in the Conservative party does speak to some of their more extreme policies.

[ivbinconned]

"their more extreme policies."

examples please??

[FarmRanger]

If you’re referring to the vote on gay marriage, then Robertson would be comfortable with the Liberal MPs or NDP MP who voted against that legislation as well, despite the party whip. Is it the lack of a policy requiring the whipping of their MPs in this kind of vote that you view as extreme? Pretty big stretch f_s. Should forward that to headquarters though, they might not have thought of it yet for their next attack ad.

[farmers_son]

Silverback: Of course "extreme" is a a matter of your perspective. Some Conservative policy positions that Pat Robertson and a few Albertans would be quite comfortable with:

The Conservative Party supports relaxing foreign ownership requirements on Canadian industry.

The Conservative Party supports the consolidation of Canadian banks.

The Conservative Party supports a voluntary Canadian Wheat Board.

The Conservative Party would remove the CRTCs ability to limit American programming.

The Conservative Party supports for profit health care services.

The Conservative Party would support increased patent protection for drug companies.

The Conservative Party would change the student loan program so children of rich families could have access to student loans.

The Conservative Party would try youth 14 years and older as adults.

The Conservative Party supports joining with the United States in the U.S. Missile Defense Program.

The Conservative Party would work to merge Canada’s security forces with the United States.

Bottom line we would have a very different Canada under a Conservative government. If Canadians understand who they are voting for and elect a Conservative government that is fine but for the most part these Conservative policy positions are not widely recognized. For certain the Conservatives are not talking about them. Under a Conservative government Canada would move to be very much like the United States in both form and substance. Pat Robertson would feel right at home.

[farmers_son]

farmers_son, do you think that trying 14 year olds that commit adult type crimes, murder, sex related crimes to name a few should be protected and tried as youth, then allowed to serve a minimum in the community sentence ?? I think it is time to crack down on youth crime and perhaps the way to do it is to have a damn good deterrent, if you do the crime at 14 and over you are considered an adult and will be treated as such by the courts.
Maybe it would help lower the crime rate by youth, and maybe our communities would not be plagued with gangs of young people intimidating the elderly when they want to go for a walk, or intimidating shoppers in malls etc.
Should we continue to treat all youth that commit crimes as babes and give them a pat on the wrist ???

Perhaps you aren't in a community where break and enters, drug related crimes are common place. Try coming home to find your house ransacked, your expensive Christmas display smashed, and obscene words spray painted all over your home. When the perpetrators are cought they are 14 and 15 year old little @@##$$'s....should they be handed a good stiff sentence to get them off the streets and out of the community or should they be given a few hours of community work that they will regard as a total joke ?????

[farmers_son]

The example you provided of the ransacked house would not in my mind warrant a jail sentence. And not all youth crimes are dealt with community service. Myself, and this is just my opinion, putting children in jail is something from Dickens, not 2006. Fourteen is pretty young. You mentioned 15, getting closer. 16 yes if the situation warranted it. Youth crime does need to be dealt with seriously however but jail is probably not the answer.

When I think of youth crime I am most familiar with the Cook murders. Robert Cook was in trouble with the law at the age of 12. The more I learn about the case, including listening to Judge MacNaughton who was Cooks’s defence lawyer at the time speak on the case, I am convinced that Cook and youth like him have very, very severe behavioral problems that are not solved by time in jail. I would hope, in fact I know, that children with behavioral problems can be diagnosed and helped. I have occasion to pass the gravesite of the family Cook murdered and am reminded each time that jail did not work for that family even though jail sentencing was harsh in the late 50s and early 60s. Just my opinion. If Cook could have gotten the psychiatric help he needed it would have done everyone involved a world of good. Psychiatric care is not a joke.

[ivbinconned]

posted Jan 11, 2006 10:14

OK FARMERS-SON…LETS DANCE! I DON’T KNOW WHY WE BOTHER THOUGH BECAUSE AS LONG AS YOU WEAR THOSE ROSE COLORED GLASSES YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I WRITE! YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE COMFORTABLE LIVING IN DENIAL.

“Silverback: Of course "extreme" is a matter of your perspective. Some Conservative policy positions that Pat Robertson and a few Albertans would be quite comfortable with:”

THERE IS NO WAY THAT ROBERTSON WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE “CANADIAN’ VERSION” OF A CONSERVATIVE PARTY WITH ITS NO DEFINIT POLICY ON ABORTION. HOWEVER I DO KNOW THAT A MAN LIKE CASTRO WOULD APPLAUD EVERY PUBLIC AND "HIDDEN", AGENDA OF PAUL MARTIN AND THE LIBERAL PARTY!!

”The Conservative Party supports relaxing foreign ownership requirements on Canadian industry.”

WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING?? WHAT REQUIREMENTS EXIST NOW…THAT HAS PROTECTED THE CANADIAN BEEF INDUSTRY, OIL INDUSTRY FROM FOREIGN OWNERSHIP??
A DIRECT RESULT OF A 30 YEAR LOW DOLLAR POLICY THAT HAS EXPOSED ALL CANADIAN INVESTMENT TO FOREIGN TAKEOVERS!!
THE ONLY INDUSTRY THAT GETS PROTECTION IN THIS COUNTRY IS ONTARIO AND QUEBEC’S! THUS WE HAVE MONEY PLUCKED OUT OF ALBERTA THAT LAVISHLY SUPPORTS AGRICLUTURE IN QUEBEC TO THE TUNE OF $120 PER ACRE ON SOME CROPS!!
I FEEL SOOOO PROTECTED. MAYBE WITH A CHANGE IN GOVERNMENT OUR DOLLAR WILL PUSH HIGHER AND WE CAN START REGAINING CONTROL OF OUR ASSETS.

”The Conservative Party supports the consolidation of Canadian banks.”

BEFORE YOU FORM AN OPINION ABOUT THE BANKING INDUSTRY FARMERS-SON YOU SHOULD READ WALTER STUARTS BOOK “TOWERS OF GOLD FEET OF CLAY”. THE BANKS BASICLY OPERATE AS ONE NOW WITH LITTLE NOTABLE DIFFERENCE BETTWEEN THEM. PLUS OVER THE YEARS LIBERALS AS WELL AS PEOPLE FROM ALL POLITICAL PARTIES HAVE BEEN WELL REPRESENTED ON THEIR BOARDS. AND AGAIN IT WAS WHEN LIBERALS WERE IN POWER THAT THE BANKS (AFTER LOBBYING HARD) WERE ALLOWED TO FLOAT INTEREST RATES BACK IN THE LATE 70’S THAT RESULTED IN THE DEVASTATING 24% INTEREST RATES ON MY FARM LOANS. AH…BUT I WAS SO PROTECTED!!

”The Conservative Party supports a voluntary Canadian Wheat Board.”

LIEBERALS ARE HYPOCRITES…PRO-CHOICE ON SOME ISSUES BUT NOT OTHERS??

”The Conservative Party would remove the CRTCs ability to limit American programming.”

THAT’S A STREACH…EVEN FOR YOU F-S. IF I COULD INFLUENCE A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT I WOULD ADVOCATE THE DISMANTELING OF THE CRTC, SAVING MILLIONS.
THE CRTC HAS ONLY TRIED TO LIMIT “CONSERVATIVE” AND “CHRISTIAN” MEDIA IN CANADA BUT HAS EMBRACED AND WELCOMED EVERY LIBERAL AND PERVERTED MEDIA AVAILABLE.

”The Conservative Party supports for profit health care services.”

DID YOU JUST GET HERE F-SON … SO DOES PAUL MARTIN!! OH SO EXTREME!!


””The Conservative Party would support increased patent protection for drug companies.”

?????

”The Conservative Party would change the student loan program so children of rich families could have” “access to student loans.

NOW THIS IS REALLY EXTREME! LIBERALS CAN STEAL MONEY FROM THE PUBLIC PURSE BUT RICH PEOPLE ( A SUBJECTIVE TERM) SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BORROW IT?? WEIERD LOGIC…BUT THEN, I AM NOT A LIBERAL. THE LIEBRANO’S ARE MASTERS AT DESIGNING PROGRAMS WITH GREAT BENEFITS…THAT FEW CAN QUALIFY FOR…I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I HAVE FARMED FOR 35 YEARS AND HAVE HAD KIDS IN COLLEGE.

”The Conservative Party would try youth 14 years and older as adults. “

HOW MEAN. I GUESS IF THEY CAN CONSENT TO SEX??
CONSERVATIVES DON’T HAVE CHILDREN OF THERE OWN AND SO HAVE NO SENSITIVITY TO KIDS RIGHT, AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPINION ON CRIME…THE LIBERALS HAVE EVERY THING UNDER CONTROL! YA RIGHT!
IN THE NEWS TODAY ARE WARNINGS TO SASKATOON BUSSINES’S TO BE ON GUARD FOR GANGS OF 10 TO 14 OLDS SWARMING DOWNTOWN BUSSINES’S, SWEARING AT CUSTOMERS, STEALING, DISRUPTING…DURING SCHOOL HOURS!

”The Conservative Party supports joining with the United States in the U.S. Missile Defense Program.”

THE LIBERAL’S SUPPORT CUBAS, IRANS, FRANCE’S AND EVERY OTHER TIN POT DICTATER’S, ANTI-AMERICAN VIEWS?? RIGHT UP UNTIL THEY HAVE A NATURAL DISASTER…OR UNTIL ALL AMERICAN AID IS IN.
WHILE AT THE SAME TIME SELL THEM ALL OUR STUFF. WHAT A DISGRACE.


.”The Conservative Party would work to merge Canada’s security forces with the United States.”

TYPICAL LIBERAL ATRIBUTE…DENYING REALITY.
THE ALTERNATIVE IS WE INVITE EVERY TERRORIST AND ANTI-AMERICAN ELEMENT AROUND THE WORLD TO JOIN US…USE CANADA AS A BASE, AND LET’S ATTACK FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. BUT PLEASE LETS WAIT UNTILL THEY HAVE BOUGHT ALL OUR CULL COWS…OK! SORRY GUYS MY TONUGE IS “EXTREMELY” IN MY CHEEK.


”Bottom line we would have a very different Canada under a Conservative government. If Canadians understand who they are voting for and elect a Conservative government that is fine but for the most part these Conservative policy positions are not widely recognized.”

THE FACT THAT YOU DO NOT “RECOGNIZE” THE MERITS OF SOME OF THE POLICIES COMES AS NO SURPRISE TO US HERE. IT’S THOSE ROSE COLORED GLASSES PLUS THE FACT THAT THE LIBERALS, THE CBC, AND THE GLOBE HAVE PULLED YOUR NOSE UP SO CLOSE TO THE PICTURE YOU CAN’T SEE CLEARLY.
DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND TURN THE PAGE. THIS IS NOT THROWING THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER...IT IS THROWING A MONSTER OUT WITH THE SEWER. A GOVERNMENT THAT IS SO CORRUPT IT NO LONGER KNOWS RIGHT FROM WRONG…MAKING ONE GODLESS DECISION AFTER ANOTHER, GUIDED ONLY BY THE LOWEST OF PERSONAL AMBITIONS. HOW ANY HONEST LIBERAL COULD CONTINUE TO DEFEND THIS GANG OF THUGS IS BEYOND ME.

YOU SHOULD LEARN SOMETHING FROM THE PRINCIPLED WESTERN CANADIAN “CONSERVATIVE” CONSTITUENCY, WHEN THEY BECAME DISGUSTED WITH THE CORRUPTED MULRONEY GOVERNMENT THEY ABANDONED THEM IN DROVES. IF BLIND LOYALIST LIBERALS LIKE YOU WOULD PRACTICE THE SAME HIGH STANDARD WE WOULD ALL BENEFIT IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY.

““For certain the Conservatives are not talking about them. Under a Conservative government Canada would move to be very much like the United States in both form and substance.”

TRIPLE E SENATE, SCRUTINY OF APPOINTMENTS, MORE FREEDOM, LESS GOVERNMENT, MY FRIENDS WILL NOT HAVE TO GO TO MONTREAL OR DENMARK WHERE THEY PAY FOR HIP SURGERY, THE ABILITY TO DEFEND OURSELVES…BRING IT ON.

“Pat Robertson would feel right at home.””

BETTER PAT ROBERTSON THAN CASTRO, PUTIN, SADDAM AND ALL THE OTHER DICTATOR’S AROUND THE WORLD THAT THE CANADIAN LIBERAL AND NDP LEADERSHIP HAS ALWAYS HELD IN SUCH HIGH REGARD.

[olhoss]

"Under a Conservative government Canada would move to be very much like the United States in both form and substance."

I guess that's why PMPM would do away with the notwithstanding clause, mirroring the American system. Only without the checks and balances of the American system.

Put brain in gear, then type.

[silverback]

Well said.

[ivbinconned]

And another thing...my observation.

Martins one minute before midnight utterings wanting to remove the notwithstanding clause is wishful thinking. But does indicate the writing is on the wall.

The Liberals are circling the wagons (as they are in the U.S.)and becoming quite shrill because they are loosing, or could lose their control over the supreme court.

Martins flip flopping puts truth to Chuck Colsons words..."never underestimate mans ability, to explain away, anything!"

[ivbinconned]

farmers_son just what penalty would you impose on youth that ransacked your house, stole your wife's heirloom jewellery etc. to buy drugs ????
Would you give them a fine that Daddy can pay ?
I don't buy Layton's excuse that crime is due to homelessness and poverty. There are communities in Alberta that are extremely affluent, where the above criminal activity by youth is a weekly occurance.
I agree that many of our youth are troubled, and a large reason for that is dysfunctional families where kids have no-one to set a good example or look up to, however, molly coddling them when they commit adult crimes isn't the answer.

The Bowden Institution used to be a place where young offenders were sent, and I know a couple of them that were packed off there for petty theft etc. when they were considered still 'kids', and they are upstanding members of our community today, and grandparents to boot !!! They would be the first to tell you that getting thrown in Bowden gave them an attitude adjustment or they would have likely done hard time in the old Fort Sask. jail before too many years passed.

There needs to be the ability for people to take back their communities from gangs of thugs regardless of how old the gang members are. Parents need to be held accounatable for the actions of their children if they are considered under age....maybe then some of these kids would have better things to do, because somebody would be making sure they were at home or in some organized activity that didn't include mugging old ladies !!!

We can't defend ourselves during a home invastion because we can't own a hand gun and if we don't register our long guns we will end up in jail long before the kid who trashes our home does !!!
I went out to feed my calves grain a few years back and my quad was gone....I called the RCMP and learned that a couple of 14 yar old runaways were on the loose in my community.
The RCMP found my quad where it had run out of gas a half mile from home....they caught the little darlings who were hitchiking to Edson to see friends. They couldn't press charges because they didn't have any proof because no-one had seen them with the quad. It was the second one they had stollen during the same night.

They got away with doing it and likely thought it was a big joke.