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    Alberta always on the outs over medicare
    By Ted Byfield

    Canada's national health system, often held up before Americans as a model method of delivering medical care, has been gradually falling to pieces in recent years.

    Last week, it received what many fear will prove a knock-out blow from Alberta, where Premier Ralph Klein is defying federal laws intended to safeguard the system against private medical practice.

    Klein unveiled a plan to institute a controversial "two-tier system" in his province -- meaning two levels of medical care, one run by the government and delivered without fee, the other delivered privately with a fee attached.

    This would end in Alberta the utopian socialist vision that inspired the institution of state medicine in Canada four decades ago, wherein rich and poor alike were to get the same level of care.

    But it was a vision increasingly belied by reality, because the rich could acquire the best care simply by travelling to the U.S.

    This they have been doing in ever larger numbers, because waiting times for surgical and other specialist services in Canada can run to as much as two years, and people sometimes die waiting for them.

    One of the central causes for this was the exodus of doctors to the U.S., where their income wildly exceeded what they earned in Canada.

    Klein's plan instantly created a crisis for the newly elected government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper, which had pledged to uphold and defend the national system if elected.

    Harper had good reason to make this pledge. He had lost the 2004 federal election because Klein announced, about a week before the vote, that he was about to disclose a separate medical plan for his province. The Liberals spread the story the two Alberta Conservatives -- Klein and Harper --were conspiring to destroy state medicine in Canada, and many voters bought the story.

    Something else gave credence to that thesis. Before he began his movement to unite Canada's conservative parties, Harper had lent his name to a group of disgruntled conservatives in Alberta who had urged Klein to build a "firewall" between the province and the federal government. One of their proposals: To establish private medical care in Alberta.

    Harper now finds himself in a triply unenviable role. He must be torch-bearer for the hated feds against his own province.

    He must lead the Conservative government in Ottawa against the Conservative government in Alberta. And though a thorough-going fiscal conservative, he must champion the cause of state medicine.

    Two factors, however, will ease to a degree his discomfort. One is the fact Quebec is also establishing a somewhat more modest private medical system, so Harper must deal with two renegade provinces, not just his own.

    But Quebec's plan differs substantially from Alberta's. For instance, where Quebec doctors would have to choose whether to work in the private or public system, Alberta doctors would be encouraged to work in both, in fact be required to devote a proportion of their time to delivering services under the state system.

    Second, Harper can make a show of resisting Klein by imposing the maximum penalties, provided under the Canada Health Act, the statute under which the federal system operates.

    But those penalties amount to a few million dollars, a trivial sum to a province which this year forecasts a surplus of $7.4 billion, from royalties and other revenues from the province's gas reserves and the enormous heavy oil development in its tar sands.

    It's historically noteworthy that the death blow to state medicine in Canada should come from Alberta.

    It was Alberta that most fiercely resisted its institution in the first place. The advent of government-administered medicine came in 1947 in Saskatchewan where Canada's first socialist government instituted hospital insurance.

    When it pioneered full medical care, this set off a doctors' strike.

    It also incited Ottawa to invade health care, a provincial jurisdiction, by offering to bankroll 50% of the cost to any province that joined its proposed National Health Plan.

    Alberta refused, and a chin-to-chin confrontation followed. During this it became obvious that, while Alberta might opt out of the plan, it was going to have to pay its share anyway.

    So Alberta reluctantly joined. In short, state medicine came to the province through federal blackmail.

    That was in 1966. Now, exactly 40 years later, it is Alberta that leads the movement that could doom a program it never wanted.

    Ironic, eh? Or maybe fitting.

    #2
    When they brought in medi-care I remember it well? My oldest sister and her husband were about to have their first baby and had been saving up money to pay for it. Now they were a young couple, he was a apprentice mechanic and she was a bookeeper, and this was a fairly costly procedure?
    Right before the baby was born they brought in universal healthcare and the government picked up the tab! Well they thought this was just peachy and went out and blew the money on a color TV!
    Now skip forward 33 years. Now my sisters husband has cancer. The wonderful Canadian Healthcare system is plugged up so he can't get in for treatment! They write him off as dead...gave him six weeks
    !
    But in those 33 years he has become a very successful businessman and after driveling around for close to a month with the Alberta Healthcare system he says to hell with this and heads to Scottsdale Arizona, where he undergoes surgery the next day! The surgeon tells him it is touch and go and if he came to him right off the bat, he thinks he could have saved him! They send him home telling him to continue getting Chemo in Canada. On his first trip to the Canadian hospital he gets an infection in the shunt they put in. From there it was all down hill as he couldn't kick the infection while taking the chemo! He lived close to a year but died!
    In his last days he was very bitter about the Canadian system and regretted dearly not going to the US on day one, because in all likelyhood he might have made it! He said " I am a multi millionaire and what do I have...nothing!"
    You're Canadian Healthcare system at work for you!

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      #3
      Cownam your point ? Is that if he could have stood in someone elses face he could have got in the front of the line ,or why should he have to leave the province to get help, oreven though he had millions he wanted the public system to pay the tab.
      I dont see this as a failing of the public system , even in the USA they have apointmemts and that is the same as waiting.
      The system needs work I agree so why dont Ralph and his clowns do something like he is given credit for fixing the deficit.

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        #4
        I get your point Cowman, and I agree.

        Too many people categorically reject any changes to the system of health care becasue they are fooled into thinking it is fair as we have it.

        The two tiered health care thing is a crock of s*&T!

        The clinic I go to , and most Albertans go to, are private clinics. The doctors own it and pay the bills and then bill govt. If you go to emerg and see the doctor on call, he bills the govt, at an even higher rate.

        What we have is a single payer system - the govt pays all the bills. Those who can not get the care they need here go to the US where they can pay.

        That is what the govt is looking st changing. Set up more private specialized clinics to do hip replacements and knee replacements, or other commonly repetitive procedures more efficently, more ecomomically. This witout the overhead and redundancy of the health system we have here now. Maybe the newfound effieceny would bring back some of the doctors we trained here in Canada, or elsewhere for that matter.

        I have not had a chance to read the proposed legislation as of yet, and look forward to contructive and positve debate and change for the system. That is why I beleive Clement and Harper will not comment till they have seen the details.

        Unlike the knee jerk lefties and liberals that simply say to dismiss constructive change and debate and suggest just spend more.

        Layton was crying foul in the media this weekend. He used private for profit clinics and did not even know it. Maybe he will denounce the special health care he gets offered as an MP in Ottawa. Doubt it.

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          #5
          Any one with a miniscule amount of common sense agrees the system needs to be fixed.
          I have a major problem with doctors who do not work within the framework of the public health system utilizing facilities that are built by the taxpayer and wnose operating costs are paid for by the taxpayer, using them as part of a private clinic.

          If doctors fees in private clinics are to be funded in part by the public system and in part by the user that is on option I could live with as long as the same doctors aren't working in private clinics one day and the public system the next.

          Hopefully everyone takes advantage of the opportunity to respond to the survey on the Government website.

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            #6
            Emerald: Every time you might go to see your local doctor you are entering a private clinic! The government does not own that clinic...the doctor does...and he charges the government for his service and a cost for that private clinic!
            Nothing will really change if he now expands that clinic so he can do more extensive services? Now without a doubt he will be adding a private fee...on top of the one he sends to the government? And in fact this is already being done? If you require a medical examination before you hire an employee...there is a private fee attached...that either you the employer, or the employee must pay?
            If you require a note explaining your condition to an insurance company or something...you will pay an additional above the cost of service fee?
            So in fact we already have a mix of private and public healthcare?
            I believe people are quibbling over nothing here?

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              #7
              'if you require a medical examination before you hire an employee'


              Cowman, surely you must have meant the potential employee would be the one requiring the medical, not the potential employer !!!

              I am laughing cowman......can just see the president of Penn West going for a medical before he offers a position to a junior employee. Sorry, I am in a good mood this AM and this made my day !

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                #8
                How about charging insurance co health care costs for motor vehicle caused acidents There are a lot of lifelong problems after some acidents and we already have the infastructure in place that would lower the tax paid portion, mabey the skiers that break bones charge the ski hills as a cost of doing business.
                What about workers compensation do they cover visits to your family Dr I know they cover thier own Dr and rehab.
                I think there are lots of avenues to look at if you realy want to.
                I read some of the health care proposal and if any one can form an informed opinion from all that well good on you.

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