Are Canadian Farmers the Next Fisherman.

[cakadu]

Lets see now, the Quebec producers work together through UPA, get things accomplished and get what they want. The operative word is that they work TOGETHER.

We are so bent on being independent here in the West that unless and until agriculture can start to speak with one voice, or at least with a few less voices, then we will get nowhere.

The challenge shouldn't be how to have Quebec get less, but how we can do better by all of us out here in the West. What solutions do you see for that - beyond separating.

[northfarmer]

I am shocked at the deal in Que on wheat.....good for them, did not have a clue...and I thought it was only supply management that paid the bills..

..by they way, Stormnorm, thanks for piping up.......

..i have always had a problem with the double standards of grain marketing, the different grain marketing structures that can exist in Canada, the CWB state, ON and now the deal in Que.

Good for ON to muck it up on the issue, we should do the same and demand answers from Strahl and Harper...the West wants in on the deal........national farm policy my butt!!!

[SASKFARMER3]

I to have to say good for Quebec for getting their farmers a good deal. The more I dig into the CASIP debacle the more it points to dear old Saskatchewan NDP for screwing their own farmers. In Quebec they had a group of GOVT employees go out and do every ones first year of CASIP it was on a computer program so when the guy left you were told what you would get. By getting the first year right the next years were easy. The cost was nothing for the first year and a marginal cost for the second.
Saskatchewan Govt was given the option but they refused. So now any one who can afford to pay a good accountant to work the program will get paid. any bottom feeder farmer who cant afford the program will loose out. Also Rev Canada had way to many people sitting in on the CASIP review committee and that is another problem.
We are getting Screwed in the WEST and No one seems to CARE!
Farmers dig deeper into some of these stories and you will find a grain of truth.
We were had again by not sticking together with one voice and just plowing ahead because we are independent thinkers. Sorry that's what they want and slowly we will be taken one by one.
That is the Reality of the situation.

[cowman]

I don't know why people might be shocked that Quebec gets this support? That is how the game has been played for a long time? And give those French farmers their due...they know how to put the bite on their politicians!
Apparently the recent downward pressure on our dollar is due to bad loans made to failing American airlines so they could buy "Canadian" planes? Guess who that might be...you guessed it good old Bombardier! The "Canadian way" is to funnel the money out of the colonies into the center...always has been, always will be!
Ivebinconned points out the discrepencies of this country and that is a good thing? I think it is important to note these things and maybe people will start to wake up and look for a solution? I believe I know the solution....and so does Ivebinconned! Just my opinion.

[ivbinconned]

Northfarmer , that deal in Quebec is well over 20 years old!! That means that there has been a host of western political and farm leaders who either have not told us because they did't know, or, they just treated us like mushrooms and fed us standard $hit.

cakado, the division in Western Canadaian ag communitys and political circles has been fostered since the 2nd world war.
Just think about it...the depression generated protest political movements in the west...spurred on by similar issues yet different solutions where advanced. In Alberta one soultion, in Saskatchewan another.

Some of this division, as compared to Quebec, can be explained by the origins of those who settled in west.

A much more adventuresome and individualizim has always been evident in the west...for 100 years.

As to getting us to unite behind one common cause like the Quebec farm community...I don't know...we have now seen the Sask. government finnily move on the rural tax issue after over 100 R.M.s joined a tax revolt of some sort. Maybe thats what we need a carrot.

In Quebec...not sure about this, I think dolan posted this once, but I think there is a refund on property tax of about %90 when a Quebec producer joins the UPA!

With a carrot like that, horse and I might even work together to raise the tide for all of us.

[dalek]

If you want to see what's going on in Ontario, go to www.farmersfeedcities.com

[stormnorm]

gov react to pressure group like enviro,bussines,union,not much to individual,qc gov settle the land taxes problem after we close atv and snowmobile trail and club member begin to park their machine on MP turf,after reading the late post i understand your point of view,dolin i live sw of montreal

[ivbinconned]

Welcome to this site stormnorm, dalek and dolan.
Thanks for that web site dalek, I quickly made a spin around it.

Stormnorm...we are in a world of hurt out here with no good solutions put forward for many years. It has resulted in our medium rural age, in Saskatchewan, pegged at somewhere in the mid sixties. I know that I, at 55 am the second youngest farmer in my area.

Land is beginning to rent out for zero dollars in some areas, or the tennent just pays the taxes in others. Land is not selling and values are plunging.

I have had a good quarter (100 bushel barley crops) (40 bushel canola) for sale for three years....I get no offers.

There is a pending disaster that is imminent...we have arrived here under the watch of the Canadian Wheat Board and ndp governments

There are those that think with these entities lies our salvation!

we've bin conned

[SASKFARMER3]

Its time for action just what is that action?
I for one believe that this is the final year before all the rural begins to fail.
Total debt is increasing and values are decreasing.
One doesnt have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out.
Were dying a slow death and no one cares.

[Horse]

IVBC I tend to work closer to home as I feel if I canot change anything close to home how am I going to change things that I dont have hands on experience. You bring up how Quebec has a better deal Good for you but when I bring up the enequities in the crown land and resource revenue here you think I am just complaning, Does it realy mater how one is being subsidized the fact is some are treated more equal than others .