Are Canadian Farmers the Next Fisherman.

[SASKFARMER3]

It just amazes me how the liberals destroyed Canada's Ag Sector the same way they destroyed the East Coast fishery.
What happened on the east coast happened out west. First they destroyed our Navy so we had no protection from the big fishing ships (OK Foreign nets big nets) Our locals were told they were inefficient and a waste of time. Funny how each family had a boat and went to work every day making a living though a small one but still a living. Then their was the local fish plants etc. all creating employment. But as the Big foreign boats cleaned out the stocks the small guys disappeared and why Because our Government Let them down. To Some one from the Toronto Ottawa Montreal area their just a dumb Newfie.
Now out west the Canadian farmer is getting Killed buy the USA and Europe and their subsidies, The Canadian farmer is told that he is inefficient and should compete but this is all lip service since when one has bills to pay he takes what ever price he can get but if their is some real help he can dictate the market not fall into it.
Again the Toronto Ottawa Montreal crowd laugh at us and call us dumb farmers.
Are we going to go the same way as the East Coast fishery?

[SASKFARMER3]

What I am trying to get across is look at how the experts thought they had a peaceful way of dealing with a problem though negotiations and the final out come. Dear old Canada sat back and looked at the problem and did lip service and finally we have no fishery in Canada. Now for years we have had the same thing happen to western canadian farms and are we approaching the final outcome. Just look at Richie Bros Spring Sale Catalogue?

[furrowtickler]

Well maybe not everywhere in western Canada, but certain areas are going down(Sask). One major difference over the fisherman, the First Nations are going to be given the land here in the praries. The First Nations will be proud owners of the land again, and the feds will be off the hook on native issues. This has been developing for at least 10 years already.

[ivbinconned]

Since the time of Kings there has never been an open, free market, with commodities like wheat. Grains have always been used as a political tool in one way or another.

This is not to say say that I would not like to see an open and free market as advocated by the likes of the Reform Party, Western Canadain Wheat Growers and various other western voices over the years.

However that is something that has never been or will never be...a pipe dream and not the reality. But those voices played right into the hands of the federal liberals and their leadership which openly held contempt for anything west!

Can't you just see Jean C. rubbing his hands togeter saying "you dont want da subsidy...fine by me!"

In the mean time colaberating with the Quebec governments to INSURE a viable and dynamic Quebec agriculture industry. Delivered in a simple, understandable method...not like the convoluted crap that passes for help in the west!

Time to face facts.
Western agirculture is dying on the alter of the free market.

[ivbinconned]

"Western agirculture is dying on the alter of the free market. "

Where...like most socalist institutions...the Kanadain Wheat Board has done its best to deliver on a philosihy that we all shall all be equally poor!

[Horse]

WE shall be equaly poor? who plants the crop who uses masive imputs to increase production to keep prices down who waited for thier neibours to starve out so they could take over thier land , where does it stop? when one producer owns it all.
As for the CWB with them gone I predict farmers will be grunts for the multi nationals you wont be able to grow anything without a contract and if you dont go along they will just replace you . I know there are those that think they can market thier grains as good but who among you cabn grow and sell a boat load of grain yoursejf ? not to many I bet so where do you get it from some smaller producer that cant so when you finish off the last of them where do you go.
We have put ourselves in this mess by starving out our neibours and all you shout sighted people can think of is getting more will more of nothing is still dam poor pay.

[wilagro]

If we were to EXPAND the powers of the CWB and include more commodities each year, farmers MIGHT be able to take back the power to market their OWN production. Letting the mult-nationals have free rein to call the shots on every type of grain produced is just plain dumb.

These strident 'free marketers' are whistling in the wind. The big companies would 'eat them for breakfast' as they say, once the CWB was weakened or completely destroyed.

Nearly ALL of our marketing co-ops are gone or going and WHO benefitted from that turn of events.

Allowing "management" to run and set policies for these co-ops was, in my opinion, the biggest cause of their demise.

Government complicity with mult-nationals didn't help much as well. Alberta has led the way in cultivating cosy relationships with 'big agri-business'.

[ivbinconned]

Free marketers have been chasing a dream...they are wrong. But so are you who some how feel you have been "protected" by the CWB!

[cowman]

Well I don't think Harper was unclear on what he intended to do in regards to the CWB? It might take awhile but it is going to change? And didn't practically every western rural riding support him?
Whether the CWB has done a good job or not is irrelevant? It is simply a question of freedom...the freedom to sell what you grow...however you see fit?
Does it ever bother you that they throw a farmer in jail for donating one bushel of wheat to a 4H club in the USA? My neighbor, Jim Chatney, went to jail for 28 days...for doing just that! His neighbors had to combine his crop and he is generally supported 100% out here. He is a CWB director!

[cropduster]

Just noticing this AM,Jimmy isn`t having any forums.Too bad the CWB flunkies wouldn`t let him have his fun.Always looked forward to these even if timing didn`t always allow participation.Ritter and Oberg did let him come to their controlled event in Stettler tho`.

[blackjack]

...from what i understand... sask farmers had been doing fairly well growing special crops ... is it not a case the northern states upped their production of these same crops... i don't know have the answers but why is it that us farmers keep on selling a raw product instead of trying to figure how to get them processed right here ... i think this is what the free marketers are hoping for...

[Horse]

Blackjack I think the free marketers are looking across the border with lust in thier hearts and dont have the ability to see far enough that the yanks arnt going to let them ship any amount of grain into thier market unless it is to get rid of the CWB then watch the guns come out.

[ivbinconned]

How many times do I have to tell you...stop "looking" across our southern border, where we have NO INFLUENCE, and instead, if you need to LOOK some where, then look accross our eastern borders where shedding LITE on what goes on in Quebec, with Alberta dollars, just might embarrass men whom we might have some influence on!!

Oh I forgot...its the****utic to to blast our customers. Forgive me.

[SASKFARMER3]

Yes I shouldnt look just south of us but I have reletives down their and I understand their system.
Now Quebec just ticks me off to no end Like I said in Earlier comments when I was on my honey moon years ago and met some younger couples from quebec the Farmer was the youngest and the other two couples were school friends who worked for him.
I didnt understand how they were down their farming a small hog operation.
Well Now I no Quebec is different and they are a have not province taking in Sask Alberta money. But the Liberals created this mess and now we have to live with it.
also a note seems only ones who Got CASIP really fugged the numbers.

[stormnorm]

been following this forum over a year now,i like to join to this thread,i saw some missunderstanding on quebec farmers situation,being a qc grain farmer maybe i can add my opinion to this forum. sorry for my english grammar,try to do my best.