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[Horse]

IVBC if you are so good at getting things on the alta ag ministers desk why dont you get us some of that money before it goes east , Mabey you are backing the wrong horse AKA Ralph he has all these billions of dolars in good part because we in agri havnt been paid for yrs.

[dolin]

stormnorm de quel région es-tu moi lac st-jean

[ivbinconned]

"why you do not get support from your province,if we scrap asra,do you think you will get a better support,i think your hitting the wrong nail."

NO no, it is NOT MY CONTENTION that agriculture not be supported. If you reread my comments you can see that I do not believe there has ever been a free market and that agruiculture must be supported.

However the Quebec program should NOT BE paid for with Alberta money BEFORE Alberta's own are supported to the same level!!


Horse posted Mar 14, 2006 11:43
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"IVBC if you are so good at getting things on the alta ag ministers desk why dont you get us some of that money before it goes east , Mabey you are backing the wrong horse AKA Ralph he has all these billions of dolars in good part because we in agri havnt been paid for yrs."

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Just because I got it onto your ag ministers desk does not mean I support Ralph....quite the opposite in fact.

I have been clear here for years that I am a western seperatist.

You are the only one here that would suggest otherwise.

You do not read what I write with the intent to understand...you read only with the intent to reply.

[SASKFARMER3]

Just at work today in office and wow are Saskatchewan farmers.
Last three years have killed most healthy farms land values are dropping and even the new Canadians are in trouble.
CASIP is only going in a big way to good liars and thieves SORRY That's the Truth.
I am getting really sick of what is happening to our industry and our own Govt do nothing and the easterners don't care.

[SASKFARMER3]

Just at work today in office and wow are Saskatchewan farmers in trouble.
Last three years have killed most healthy farms land values are dropping and even the new Canadians are in trouble.
CASIP is only going in a big way to good liars and thieves SORRY That's the Truth.
I am getting really sick of what is happening to our industry and our own Govt do nothing and the easterners don't care.

[ivbinconned]

Stormnorm, the nail I am trying to hit is the leadership in the west that says what happens everywhere else, can't be done here.

You have a great program, I have described it as "lavish" in the past.

But you must admit that if it where not for the constitutionaly entrenched equalization scheme, you would not fair so well.

But the governemnt (Liberals in the past) and your Quebec government have understood that agriculture is an honorable way to make a living and should be supported to insure its vitality and generational turnover.

I pointed out further up that former priministers...listening to some voices in the west, have been only to happy to throw western agriculture to the mercy of the "free market" even though none exsists, except in their idilogical minds.

The result of this misunderstanding results in some people, who are hurting big time, to start attacking their neighbors who are doing other things, declaring that they are prospering to much.

They want government to step in and bring equal results. This is wrong because it has been well established throuhout history that a government big enough to give you everything you want...would also be big enough to take every thing away.

This is sad...they are missing the big picture. Their noses are pulled up so close to the canvas they can't see.

[cakadu]

Lets see now, the Quebec producers work together through UPA, get things accomplished and get what they want. The operative word is that they work TOGETHER.

We are so bent on being independent here in the West that unless and until agriculture can start to speak with one voice, or at least with a few less voices, then we will get nowhere.

The challenge shouldn't be how to have Quebec get less, but how we can do better by all of us out here in the West. What solutions do you see for that - beyond separating.

[northfarmer]

I am shocked at the deal in Que on wheat.....good for them, did not have a clue...and I thought it was only supply management that paid the bills..

..by they way, Stormnorm, thanks for piping up.......

..i have always had a problem with the double standards of grain marketing, the different grain marketing structures that can exist in Canada, the CWB state, ON and now the deal in Que.

Good for ON to muck it up on the issue, we should do the same and demand answers from Strahl and Harper...the West wants in on the deal........national farm policy my butt!!!

[SASKFARMER3]

I to have to say good for Quebec for getting their farmers a good deal. The more I dig into the CASIP debacle the more it points to dear old Saskatchewan NDP for screwing their own farmers. In Quebec they had a group of GOVT employees go out and do every ones first year of CASIP it was on a computer program so when the guy left you were told what you would get. By getting the first year right the next years were easy. The cost was nothing for the first year and a marginal cost for the second.
Saskatchewan Govt was given the option but they refused. So now any one who can afford to pay a good accountant to work the program will get paid. any bottom feeder farmer who cant afford the program will loose out. Also Rev Canada had way to many people sitting in on the CASIP review committee and that is another problem.
We are getting Screwed in the WEST and No one seems to CARE!
Farmers dig deeper into some of these stories and you will find a grain of truth.
We were had again by not sticking together with one voice and just plowing ahead because we are independent thinkers. Sorry that's what they want and slowly we will be taken one by one.
That is the Reality of the situation.

[cowman]

I don't know why people might be shocked that Quebec gets this support? That is how the game has been played for a long time? And give those French farmers their due...they know how to put the bite on their politicians!
Apparently the recent downward pressure on our dollar is due to bad loans made to failing American airlines so they could buy "Canadian" planes? Guess who that might be...you guessed it good old Bombardier! The "Canadian way" is to funnel the money out of the colonies into the center...always has been, always will be!
Ivebinconned points out the discrepencies of this country and that is a good thing? I think it is important to note these things and maybe people will start to wake up and look for a solution? I believe I know the solution....and so does Ivebinconned! Just my opinion.

[ivbinconned]

Northfarmer , that deal in Quebec is well over 20 years old!! That means that there has been a host of western political and farm leaders who either have not told us because they did't know, or, they just treated us like mushrooms and fed us standard $hit.

cakado, the division in Western Canadaian ag communitys and political circles has been fostered since the 2nd world war.
Just think about it...the depression generated protest political movements in the west...spurred on by similar issues yet different solutions where advanced. In Alberta one soultion, in Saskatchewan another.

Some of this division, as compared to Quebec, can be explained by the origins of those who settled in west.

A much more adventuresome and individualizim has always been evident in the west...for 100 years.

As to getting us to unite behind one common cause like the Quebec farm community...I don't know...we have now seen the Sask. government finnily move on the rural tax issue after over 100 R.M.s joined a tax revolt of some sort. Maybe thats what we need a carrot.

In Quebec...not sure about this, I think dolan posted this once, but I think there is a refund on property tax of about %90 when a Quebec producer joins the UPA!

With a carrot like that, horse and I might even work together to raise the tide for all of us.

[dalek]

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