PC Leadership

[cowman]

Okay....Now will Jim Dinning be tough on the feds? How about Stelmach?
I think Morton would be but unlikely he is going to get the nod?
The "old boys club" in the Tory party are not seperatists and I don't even think they are pro-Alberta! For them it seems to be: Don't rock the boat...I'm getting mine!
Why is it a Dalton McGuinty can stand up for Ontario and say Hey we're not getting a fair deal on this transfer payment stuff...while Lougheed, Getty and Klein fell all over themselves giving away our money, while beating their breasts and crying "I am a proud Canadian"! Here take some more!

[Vader]

Tom, I hesitate to respond to anything you say for fear of ASTOUNDING you.

I believe that allowing producers to export their grain in containers would have little or no impact on CWB marketing, this being the first criteria for the issuance of an export licence. This would allow producers to find niche markets.

[wd9]

I wonder why an organization who claims to be the best is considered by our Prime Minister to be a "Sore Point".

I guess that's what happens when you are legislated to be a customer as opposed to showing true value to keep customers.

MBFarmer, you'll also note supply management protection at any cost - the cost being your ability to export will come second. The point I was trying to make earlier is both supply management and the position of the CWB are to not allow, as the PM puts it, "Fair Trade".

[ivbinconned]

"Preston is a federalist"

From his own mouth...at the convention...

""When my father was elected to the legislature in 1935 (during the Great Depression) Alberta was $161 million in debt thanks to a railway spending spree by our one and only Liberal administration in the first part of the century. The budget of the province was $15 million, $8 million of that was pledged to debt service. That left $7 million per year on which to run the province, with cash flow insufficient to even meet the public service payroll, let alone provide services," recalled Manning.

"That dark and desperate part of our past should keep us ever mindful in our present affluence of those citizens and provinces less fortunate than ourselves, and energize us in the development of fresh policies to deal with poverty and regional disparities in our time," said Manning to loud applause."

So there you have it...he wants to be the PRIME MINISTER of Alberta...looking out for all of Canadas interests!!?? Toronto will be pleased.

And the koolaid drinking lemmings are lining up behind him.

I think with the voting system used in this race one is safe at parking their first vote as a principled vote. Mortin and Harper will get along on the issues of de-confederation...Preston will not walk the walk.

[ivbinconned]

Ed Stelmach has certainly been agressive in his comments and dealings with Ottawa during his last ministerial appointment.


I think Morton would stand firm for Alberta but he doesn't have a chance, although he could certainly sway some of the thinking of the eventual winner if he threw his support behind them.

Manning is scary, and now the people that are organizing the campaign to recruit him are calling on all the evangelical groups to support him and sell memberships if he decides to run !!!!

We could be back in the bible belt before we know it. Now don't everyone yell at me and think I am anti religion because I am not but I have always found that religion and politics do not mix !!!!!

[TOM4CWB]

Vader,

All the best in your quest to respect those who you are supposed to serve.

Hope can come back to your roots;

1. Do unto others as you would have done unto you,

2. Do not do unto others as you would not have others do unto you;


* Do not infringe upon the Rights, Freedoms or Property of others, and;

* Keep all contracts willingly, knowingly and intentionally:

** That for every wrong there is a remedy,

*** The end does not justify the means,

**** Fundamental principals cannot be set aside to meet the demands of convenience or to prevent apparent hardship in a particular case,

***** Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law,

****** Two wrongs do not make a right, and

******* One can enlarge the rights of the people, however they cannot be taken away without their informed consent.

Please take these back to the CWB BOD, and remind them of the CWB Bylaw obliging the Board of Directors to follow the spirit and intent of these Common Law Principals!


God Bless Canada!

[Vader]

Tom, Blah, blah,blah,blah,

does the container idea work for you or not?

[agstar77]

W of 9 , CWB is only a sore point with Harper's buddy Geoge W. and the U.S. wheat growers. I guess they understand that it is a benefit to us even if you don't. As for T4 , the blathering about freedom and commandments is becoming annoying.

[parsley]

Vader,

"I believe that allowing producers to export their grain in containers would have little or no impact on CWB marketing, this being the first criteria for the issuance of an export licence."

Are you prepared to support that statement at the Board table?

Parsley

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agstar, we don't want you to be annoyed.

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[Riley]

Ever since I started farming some 35 years ago, trade liberalization and the elmination of tarriffs has been held out as the "Holy Grail" of agriculture. It was a given that once this was achieved we would all return to prosperity. While it might be a laudable goal...it ain't going to happen. As was mentioned earlier the U.S. and Europeans have a vested interest in keeping things as they are. Food security has become an important item in the past few years, but above that the entire farm economy is based on those subsidies. They have been built into land values which are the primary security that banks hold against farmer loans. Over and above all this is the fact that in the U.S. system of government, these lightly populated agricultural states are important especially as far as the senate is concerned. No administration is going to commit hari kari by alienating the agriculture sector and losing valuable senate seats in the process. Even if a deal comes from the current WTO round I'm sure they will find away around it if and when its needed. The fact is that domestic politics will always trump international agreements especially by countries that are powerful enough to flaunt the rules. That's just the way it is.

[Vader]

Parsley, I am prepared to ask that question at the board table.

[TOM4CWB]

Vader;

What are your core values?

Does the container issue line up with them?

It is interesting that the bylaws of the CWB COde of COnduct are bla bla bla to you. DId you honestly sign it?

Agstar77; you honestly despise these core values of our heritage and society? If you have children, wouldn't these values be the key ones to teach them:

If you have business relationships; aren't these the rules you would need to have an honest valued long term productive result? Aren't these the standards you and your family need to have?

[parsley]

Vader,

I'm pleased there will be some movement.It will come with or without the Board and a more reasonable stance will help the optics of the Board. It might even save the Board.

The CWB's legal counsel have already determined in writing, that neither price nor volume affects marketing by the CWB, so you will essentially be endorsing what legal counsel has already stated.

Profitable sales that conventional farmers cannot access must not only be tolerated, but encouraged. Every bushel of grain we can sell out of the country is good for the entire country, not just good for the farmer.

I m hopeful with this timely advancement for farmers. Without it, both the Board and an unresponsive Government would have been looking forward to a somewhat well-designed living nightmare.

Parsley

[TOM4CWB]

Parsley:

Right on.

We must get past the CWB theology that the pie is only so big... and that it is split amongst X number of growers; If one grower gets more... then the others automatically get less.

WE can and will grow the pie bigger... and will have more to share... if we aren't so greedy.

I believe this is the biggest problem with CWB "single desk" policy... and why it dooms the CWB to failure if maintained.

[parsley]

Vader,

You said you would ask the question. I presume the question will be somewhat like this:

I move to issue export licenses to farmer applicants.

Will YOU support the question or just ask it?

Parsley