manure truck rolled into creek

[grassfarmer]

coppertop, I never said all Albertans, oil patch workers or all farmers are rednecks. I've certainly noticed plenty in my neck of the woods though. The middle aged farmer/ranchers that think it's appropriate when driving on the road to roll down their windows and shout racist abuse at young Hutterites working on my land. The rancher that drove about with the "Mr Bush would you please overthrow our regime next?" bumper sticker up next to his Alberta beef one. And as you are such a council fan I could also use the example of my local councillor who thinks it's appropriate to tell offensive racist jokes about people of Pakistani origin at a constituents funeral of all places.

But my original point was I wouldn't let anyone get away with environmental pollution caused by agriculture or industry. This is a role for Government regulation and enforcement and thus far they seem to me to do a poor job.

[coppertop]

Again grassfarmer your comments are intended to ridicule mine. In reference to your sacrastic comment about my being a a COUNCIL FAN, I have served on municipal council and also served the people of alberta on several boards and committees. Some on a volunteer basis where all costs for travel meals etc. were borne by myself because I believed in the cause in question enough to donate my time etc.
Much of my volunteer work has been done in the areas of land use, and I am continuing with that initiative.
If you have a councillor that acts in an offensive manner, and you have personally heard him or her make unacceptable comments to or about any constituent, take it up with your Reeve who is a very well respected individual that I have known for years. He is the disciplinarian of council and I am sure he would not agree with anyone of his council members acting in an offensive manner to any minority.

Once you have put your name on a ballot and sought the support of your neighbours to become an elected official then you will have earned the right to comment on anyone being a 'council fan' !! I am a fan of democracy which is what municipal elections are all about, and if the public elected idiots then the public are the ones to take your concerns to at your county's annual meeting.

It sounds like you have a few knothead farmers in your neighbourhood, I have wonderful neighbours with the exception of one but he doesn't get along with anyone so we all ignore him. My neighbours include feedlot operators, large cow/calf operators and small business owners, including plumbers. I have given a lot back to my community over the years and so have my neighbours.I would suspect that your neighbours are by and large good people, so don't tar all of them with the same brush because of a few idiots.

[grassfarmer]

Where was the ridicule please or the sarcasm? I added the reference about being a council fan as that is where most of your post inputs come from - just like mine could be deemed as coming from a grass or Luing fanatic or rkaisers a meat salesman's. I feel in a free country you should be able to refer to someone as a "council fan" without being arrested - it's not quite in the same vein as the cases of racial abuse I was highlighting.

Still if you've nothing better to do than nitpick over perceived slurs that don't exist I won't bother replying to any of your posts in future.

[coppertop]

Tut tut grassfarmer, childish behavior doesn't become anyone !!!

I have been critical of our local council on this site when I felt they were not making good decisions particularly in the areas of land use, so that would hardly qualify as being a FAN !!
I have never in the past nor will I in the future be a FAN of disrespect to anyone regardless of who or what race they are. Any elected official that acts in a manner which shows disrespect to any citizen should not be re-eleced but again, that is the choice of the people .
At any rate, I enjoy many of your posts and have found them informative. If you choose not to respond to mine that will be of no consequence to me, I imagine the grass will still grow out here in the west and the cows will be fat and sassy in the fall !!!

Good luck with your endeavors grassfarmer.

[grassfarmer]

Maybe you should listen to your own advice - "childish behavior doesn't become anyone" indeed. Seems you spend a lot of time on pointless windups just so you can act all offended when someone responds to them. Rather quick to gloat too when you think you've "won" another round in your silly little game. Well you can find someone else to play with because I've better things to do with my time.

[cowman]

Despite my own love to roast the government whether municipal, provincial or federal, I have to agree with coppertop that anyone who puts in the effort to run in politics deserves some respect! It really is a thankless job and believe it or not I think most politicians do it out of a sense of civic duty...not the hope of getting both front feet in the trough!
So while I might not agree with them, I can certainly respect the effort? It lets slackards like me off the hook!
Now you guys don't get all bent out of shape on this! Its supposed to be like a coffee shop here! You exchange ideas, philosophies etc.? At the end of the day you just might learn something?

[cowman]

grassfarmer: Not sure if I qualify for redneck status or not? I do believe in gun control...I believe about half the idiots who own guns shouldn't!
I guess I drive a monster truck. I need one to haul a trailer with a tractor on it. No big boogie tires or big spotlights though...just a one ton deisel.
Not really my style to throw rascist comments at passing motorists, but I might be considered a rascist because I do get upset with certain people thinking they have special rights the rest of us don't have? And yep, Hutterites would rank right up there! They don't think they need to conform to the laws of the land? Don't need to have their picture on their driver license? Can build a factory in Kneehill county...on Ag B land? You and I can't do that, why should they?
And lets not forget while they were living away in pastoral bliss in Canada my old man was getting his ass shot off in Holland and my uncle was lying dead at Casino!....so we could have this group demand its rights?

[coppertop]

cowman, gun control is a hot potato isn't it? There are many people who should not own guns but apparently they can get them and build up an arsenal, and shoot mounties and innocent citizens.
The Liberal gun control did not work and has cost billions, so there has to be a better way than forcing law abiding citizens to register guns.

I believe in the right of citizens to practice their religion but I certainly hope the government wins the round with the hutterites regarding photos on drivers lic.
If you and I are required to have a photo on our lic. then so should they.
Recently a Hutterite sect applied to construct a new colony in one of the municipalities in the Peace region. The site they chose was in an exclusion zone in the county's municipal development plan, and the county advised their consultant of that prior to the application being filed with the NRCB.
The colony paid no attention to the county, felt they had the right to build on that partiular piece of land regardless of what the county had in their municipal plan.They could have moved the proposed headquarters two miles down the road on other lands they owned but were adamant that they be allowed to build on the site they had chosen.
The application was turned down by the NRCB, and the colony was refused a Board hearing.

The issue of what type of vehicle people choose to drive is one that as PureCountry has pointed out has been flogged to the limit on this site. If you or I or anyone for that matter choose to purchase a big old gas guzzling pickup, SUV etc., and put on a stetson and drive down the road it should be our business, and doesn't necessarily make us a redneck.