hey Cowman, CBM screwup?

[Horse]

No science no documation sopunds just like the companys that are drilling all they can say is O no it wont be like Wyoming This stuff is mostly trial and error as for the EUB that is a bunch of bought and paid yes men ,as for the govmt all they want is the support of the corporate buiz to keep thier own jobs . So just tell me who is in charge.
As for casing I will have to check that out as I remember surface casing is 600ft there is lots of water wells that deep and deeper here, what happens when you draw down the water from below is the water from above migrates down.
It seems a poor gamble to risk the water for a few dollars that most albertans dont even get to see and we dont need the gas at the present time. I never said you said you would move but what is stoping you if you choose.

[cowman]

Horse: Wyoming and New Mexico have nothing in common with the coalbed situation in Alberta. That little nightmare occured a long time ago, with wet gas, and a completely different set of rules. It is a common knee jerk reaction by the anti-coalbed lobby!
You have to go with the best science available and not every crack pot environmental idea out there? I doubt man would have ever got out of the caves if some brave soul didn't take a risk?
Developing the coalbed is a done deal? You can either go with the flow and hopefully participate, or continue to butt your head against the wall? You can benifit from it or not, but if it does go bad you are still going to pay the price, just like everyone else?
The best a person can do in this old world is adjust to the situation at hand? You can't control the world...only how you react to change. Just my opinion.

[Horse]

I am not sure but is not all CBM locked up in water bering coal seams I am pretty sure it is in the FortAssinaboine area and they pump off the water before they can get the gas and from what I hear some of these wells will be pumped for over a yr before they start producing gas.
I do know if one has good water wells they are found in the coal seams.

[Horse]

Just found some interesting reading on the Alta Gov site on energy and natural resources on CBM or as they refer to it as NGC. It seems that most CBM in the red deer area is dry but not all and areas like Fort Assinibone is wet and need to be pumped to get any gas anyway it may be enlightning reading for anyone concerned. Of course the gov says they are on top of it and are monotering and all the usual crap the spew when asked questions that they dont have an answer for or just dont want to give one. Just My Opinion

[Ron]

Quick update, NAL said yes their contractor didnt clean his equipment as per our agreement. they accept responsibility for anything that shows up for at least 5 years. they pay a third party to monitor for weeds and disease and will agree to any agronomically sound recommendations he makes.
Probably in 5 years I will wonder why I bothered but if anything shows up I am covered. I feel NAL is treating me fairly about this and since if they werent I would sure bitch I better give them some credit when it is due.

[coppertop]

glad things are working out for you Ron. Most companies now days want to work with the landowner as best they can, but that means the landowner has to be vigilant and ensure the company is kept on their toes.

[cowman]

They just about always come around and seek a non confrontational solution. Especially if you have built in protection through a lawyer? Personally I would never sign anything or agree verbally to anything until I run it past my lawyer? I've never paid him one cent for anything related to a surface lease. The company always picks up the bill!

[cowman]

Horse: Its actually NCG(non conventional gas)? In other words its coming out of coal or sands, not rock?
There are wet coal seams under the dry seams in central Alberta and without a doubt that is the real prize as it produces more gas than the dry coal seams! As one CBM rep told me "We need to get in there and do the dry before we tackle the wet. Once we're in there we've got it made!"
A good lawyer will have you protected from further drilling off a surface lease? You should have a clause of one hole per surface lease? If not they can drill several holes off that one lease and you will get nothing extra.

[Ron]

yeah, one zone per lease. one line per pipeline. No added equipment (dewatering) on this agreement. A pile of stuff I didnt even think of. Definately dont worry about the money untill everything else is figured out (it is to easy to get distracted).
Maybe some guys who have a lot of contact negotiate their own but it was way more effective for me to get an agent (learning anything in the real world.

[Ron]

whoops, (learning anything in the real world is expensive, I cant afford to learn this through mistakes). Still kind of groggy this morning