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    Behind the Green Door

    Behind the Green Door
    Will Verboven - Monday,9 October 2006
    WESTERN Standard

    The recent coronation of Elizabeth May, former director of the Sierra Club of Canada, as the new leader of the Green party of Canada seems, for environmental zealots, a marriage made in heaven. It was a smart move by the party, since May had turned the Sierra Club into a well-oiled fundraising machine through effective use of fear-mongering propaganda campaigns. For Canada's agriculture industry, however, May's election has all the promise of a marriage from hell. For the policies of both the Sierra Club and the Green party have a similar goal: the destruction of agriculture as we know it.

    Apparently, both hanker for the simpler days of Old MacDonald's farm, when there was no intensive agriculture, and no pesticides, antibiotics or genetically modified plants--a bucolic pre-progress paradise. That attitude should come as no surprise, since both organizations are supported by aging urban baby boomers and city kids, neither of whom have the slightest notion of how food is actually produced.

    The Sierra Club proclaims boldly, "As food is a major contributor to human health, agriculture can be a threat." Really? That "threat" has supplied the most abundant and safest food supply the world has ever enjoyed. It's such a threat that it not only contributes to a longer life expectancy here, but helps feed many of the organic farmers in Africa, whose all-natural production practices don't even provide enough organic food to feed themselves.

    To deal with the threat of agriculture, the Sierra Club advocates "[e]ncouraging individuals to buy locally, to buy organic products, to avoid farmed fish and meat raised in factory farms, and to limit the distance from farm to fork." I suspect it'll take more than encouragement to get Canadian consumers to stick to locally grown vegetables and fruit in the dead of winter.

    The utopian organic agriculture envisioned by the Greens and the Sierra Club did once exist in Canada, around the year 1900. Back then, it took half the population to feed the other half. So if we're going to be an organic nation once again, about half of us had better start heading for the countryside. I doubt most Sierra Club ideologues are prepared to make a life on the farm, hoeing organic rows.

    Presumably, May will be bringing to her new role as Green party leader the Sierra Club's perspective on agriculture. That should be a natural move, since Green party policy is every bit as twisted. Here's a gem from their party policy on agriculture: "Our biosecurity is threatened directly by agribusiness, as factory farms and poultry production crowd bovine and poultry into inhumane and unhygienic conditions, creating the conditions for the spread of mad cow disease and the avian bird flu."

    For the record, all of our cases of so-called mad cow disease have involved mature cows, none of which lived a single day in an alleged factory farm. Meanwhile, avian flu is spread by wild waterfowl infecting domestic poultry being raised outdoors; they'd be safer in pens. But in Al Gore's immortal words, these are merely the "inconvenient truths" of environmentalism.

    Perhaps that's being too harsh on May's budding leadership. There's one Green party policy that would delight almost everyone in agriculture, could she deliver it: "The Green Party seeks to restructure our agricultural markets to sustain farming families in a domestic food economy and provide families with a fair share of the consumer food dollar." It's a wonderful wish. But it may not go over that well with Canadian consumers and taxpayers, since it will require either billions in subsidies to farmers, the closure of the border to cheap imports, or high tariffs, price controls and quotas.

    It's hard to know what the Greens would do if they ever got into power (they've managed only to join governing coalitions in Europe), but perhaps those in the agriculture business who don't co-operate with them might end up with their land seized and collectivized by organic peasant farmers with a social conscience. Businesses might even have to be nationalized to ensure that uneconomic organic principles were maintained. May and her party could lead us into the organic agricultural paradise. Good luck to her.

    #2
    WD9, I think everyone is confused here.

    I think, Harper and Strahl are trying to steer the ship, but I think they thought (unrealistcly)they were going to be steering in calm waters.

    But we all know this is not the case. So they are learning on the go, how to navigate this very rough and unpredictable issue.

    But my belief is they believe there is a risk of their government falling before spring and so they didn't want to go into an election while the issue of a plebicite haning over their heads.

    It's pure politics. Good policy gets shoved to the backburner while they need to tend to the politics.

    This is why we need this thing finally resolved and get wheat out of the political arena. It looks like it may take more time though, but it will be worth it because the political fighting and wrangling is slowly destroying this industry.

    I believe in all my heart the CWB, the Liberals and the NDP don't give two whits about the wheat business, they only care about the power to control the wheat business.

    And that is what is destroying our industry.

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      #3
      What a bunch of crap does he feel threatened by the green party or does he have someones ass to kiss. There is a lot of truth to the argument that factory farms are not nesseraly the best thing for farmers or consumers.

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        #4
        Hear, hear Horse, once again the voice of common sense!

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          #5
          Adam Smith, do you think these are really KAP's questions? I mean, given recent collusion with the CWB, can we really trust KAP? And furthermore, is the year 1970 or 1996 or what? What the KAP questions ask were being asked for the last 35 years or more! The Western Grain Marketing Panel, travelling Senate roadshows, et al, have asked all these questions in one form or another. And, it is all irrelevant.

          Premium prices mean nothing if cash flow demands are high in fall and premium prices don't appear till . . .? Cash flow for me is king. The CWB system has never satisfied my cash requirements or many others. This one of the reasons wheat and barley are disappearing from crop rotations; they don't flow enough cash fast enough.

          Re price pooling: it can be good option if done differently. I grow forage seed from time to time that is price pooled. But, with a guaranteed basis most of the value of the seed is paid upon delivery to the customer. After all the returns are in for let's say turf seed, a final pool calculation is made and final returns are paid out. The thing is, going in, you know you will receive pretty well the full price early. The final payment more or less represents any premium.

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            #6
            Trust no one , that's the common thread to these comments.

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              #7
              Agstar77, trust has to be earned. KAP has a long ways to go to earn my trust back. Sending David Rolfe packing would only be a start.

              As far as the CWB, the lack of accountability, using what should be farmers returns to fight to retain the monopoly, quashing my right to sell my produce to whom or when I wish . . .

              Trust? I trust the open market partners I work with. They know if they don't act in a "trusting" manner and with a win/win attitude, I'll take my business somewhere else. But, I have responsibilities too. Pricing opportunites come and go, and if they are not captured that's my fault, not a company that buys and resells commodities.

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                #8
                Agstar – it’s ironic that you should be the one to mention trust. You trust the CWB yet they have never earned it. You vilify the evil grain companies as untrustworthy bandits yet they work to earn your trust every day – even when handling CWB grains; without farmers’ trust, they suffer (look what happened to SWP’s market share when they shut down all their wooden elevators).

                I guess it’s consistent with trusting KAP and others that are fed rhetoric by the CWB. Unfortunate....blind....yet consistent.

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                  #9
                  Agstar77, if the cwb wants to win over the trust of enough farmers to prevent the government from implimenting their marketing choice policy. The CWB is going to have to prove themselves. And mocking trust is not the way to do it.Making public the 2005/2006 sales book along with a breakdown of all cwb costs may save you, if it's as good as you say it is. But the fact the cwb won't do this, even with their entire existance hanging in the balance, just makes me think that that information would be more damaging to the cwb than benificial.

                  Answering questions and presenting corresponding evidence to all cwb claims of superiority is required.

                  Open market proponents are not afraid to answer the cwb's (KAP's) questions yet the cwb is terrified by and refuses to, answer our questions.

                  Why do you suppose that is?

                  Give us the raw data, and let us draw our conlusions.

                  A non peer reviewed study, using filtered and selective data in order to reach a predetermined outcome is not going to satisfy anyone other than the cwb's hard core committed supporters.

                  As Dr. Phil say's "It's time for you to get real"

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                    #10
                    It seems its a matter of trust. You say trust me , we can destroy the present system and some of us will be better off. You don't have any more proof than what you are asking the other side to provide. I really don't think the risk reward is worth it. It may be for you but not for all of us .

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                      #11
                      I'm not going to argue this one, but I will say this: These wingdings may come out as buddies of the "family farm/back to nature" but the fact is they hate your guts just as much as they hate the "factory farm"!
                      To them you are just one more capitalist mining the soil and ruining the environment!An evil expoilter of the land and animals!They are nuts and you should never support these crazy buggers! These are the same kooks who would have us all eating tofu and living in mud huts!...Of course while they live in their highrise condos with all the good things!
                      These are not your friends. They are kooks and "Watermelon Environmentalists"?...Green on the outside, but red as hell in the middle!

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                        #12
                        Agstar – I don’t care if you trust me or not; I don’t contribute here to get you to agree with me or to trust me. Just don’t ask me to blindly trust the unknown as you do.

                        Don’t tell me I don’t have proof. I have a provided a load of evidence that counters CWB claims that it has succeeded (I've got more if you want); a whole schwack of stuff showing that the CWB isn’t doing as good a job as you’d like to believe. All we’re asking is for answers and explanations. As I see it, the one thing the CWB has going for it is that the “court of public opinion” (the farm community) isn’t paying attention to details.

                        Why is it that, whenever open-marketers show real numbers, real facts, and real experiences that are critical of the CWB, the Canadian Wheat Borg never counters with opposing real numbers, real facts, real experiences that support the CWB? You know, proof, supporting your positions. Not just platitudes and rhetoric supporting your position and criticisms of your detractors.

                        Before you can assess risk/reward, you need to measure the risk and the reward – you choose to do neither but continue to criticize those that do or try to. How can you say the risk reward is not worth it to you when you really don’t know what the risk or the reward is?

                        As I said before, blind faith doesn’t cut it when you’re dealing with other peoples’ lives.

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                          #13
                          So I can try to understand this:

                          Neither side has concrete proof.

                          Therefore the single desk system should be maintained for the good of whom?

                          You and your friends?

                          Without concrete proof, what is different in this approach to AdamSmith's?

                          To make a statement like: "I really don't think the risk reward is worth it." - is what i do not get.

                          With risk on one side of a blank piece of paper and reward on the other - and the paper blank - you are drawing conclusions based on nothing.
                          ______________________________________
                          A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.
                          Jean Chretien - March 01, 1995
                          _______________________________________

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                            #14
                            Agstar77, Here's my proof, now let's see yours!

                            Or is this just opinion?

                            To me it's proof that Winter Wheat and Red Spring Wheat are equivalent value and the open market reflects that. It's also proof I'm losing $1 to 1.25 per bushel on winter wheat with the single desk system.

                            What exactly is the risk here? Paying to much income tax?

                            JO GR110
                            Portland, OR Mon Nov 6 2006 USDA Market News

                            Portland Daily Grain Report
                            Bids as of 11:30 a.m.; Subject to change

                            Bids for grains delivered to Portland, Oregon. During November by
                            rail or barge, in dollars per bushel, except oats, corn and barley,
                            in dollars per cwt. Bids for 11.5 percent protein hard red winter
                            wheat and 14 percent protein dark northern spring wheat were split for
                            first and last half November delivery. Bids for soft white wheat are
                            for delivery periods as specified. All other bids are for full
                            November delivery.

                            December wheat futures closed higher by four to 6-3/4 cents per
                            bushel compared to Friday’s closes.

                            Bids for US 1 Soft White Wheat for November Portland delivery were
                            mixed, from three cents per bushel lower to one cent higher compared to
                            Friday’s noon bids.

                            Bids for 11.5 percent protein US 1 Hard Red Winter Wheat for
                            November Portland delivery were one to mostly four cents per bushel
                            higher than Friday’s noon bids in following the higher Kansas City
                            December wheat futures.

                            Bids for 14 percent protein us 1 Dark Northern Spring Wheat for
                            November Portland delivery trended mixed, from seven cents lower to
                            seven cents higher compared to Friday’s noon bids.

                            Bids for US 2 barley were not well tested. Most exporters were not
                            issuing bids for November delivery.

                            Bids for US 2 Yellow Corn were not well tested.

                            US 1 Soft White Wheat - Any protein - Rail/Barge delivered
                            Nov mostly $ 4.99 , ranging $4.92 -5.00 dn 3-up 1
                            FH Dec $4.98 -5.03 unch
                            LH Dec $4.99 -5.06 unch-up 1
                            FH Jan $5.02 -5.08 unch
                            LH Jan $5.03 -5.10 unch-up 1
                            FH Feb $5.06 -5.11 up 1-unch
                            LH Feb $5.06 -5.12 unch
                            FH Mar $5.08 -5.13 up 1-dn 1
                            LH Mar $5.08 -5.14 unch-dn 1

                            US 1 White Club Wheat - Rail/Barge delivered
                            Nov mostly $ 5.14 , ranging $4.95 -5.17 unch

                            US 1 Hard Red Winter Wheat - (Exporter bids-falling numbers of 300 or
                            better)
                            Ordinary protein mostly $ 5.67 , ranging $5.52 -5.68 up 1-up 5
                            10 pct protein mostly $ 5.67 , ranging $5.52 -5.68 up 1-up 5
                            11 pct protein $5.62 -5.77 up 1-up 4
                            11.5 pct protein
                            FH Nov mostly $ 5.73 , ranging $5.67 -5.82 up 1-up 4
                            LH Nov mostly $ 5.76 , ranging $5.72 -5.82 up 4
                            12 pct protein $5.67 -5.82 up 1-up 4
                            13 pct protein mostly $ 5.87 , ranging $5.81 -5.87 up 6-up 4
                            13 pct protein - $5.81 -5.87 up 6-up 4
                            Milling Quality Montana Origin

                            US 1 Dark Northern Spring Wheat (with a minimum of 300 falling numbers, a maximum
                            of 0.5 part per million vomitoxin, and a maximum of one percent total damage)
                            12 pct protein $5.61 -5.85 dn 7-up 7
                            13 pct protein $5.69 -5.93 dn 7-up 7
                            14 pct protein
                            FH Nov mostly $ 5.95 , ranging $5.77 -6.01 dn 7-up 7
                            LH Nov mostly $ 5.95 , ranging $5.78 -6.01 dn 7-up 7
                            15 pct protein $5.79 -6.03 dn 7-up 7
                            Guaranteed 15 pct protein NA

                            US 2 Barley
                            Unit trains & Barges-export (45 lbs.) NA
                            Merchandiser Bids-Single rail cars-domestic (48 lbs. or better)
                            Delivered to Portland NA
                            Delivered to inland feeding areas NA
                            FOB inland Country Elevators NA

                            US 2 Yellow Corn
                            Domestic-single rail cars
                            Delivered full coast-BN NA
                            Delivered to Portland NA
                            Rail and Truck del to Willamette Vly NA
                            Rail del to Yakima Valley NA
                            Truck del to Yakima Valley NA

                            US 2 Heavy White Oats $7.0000 unch

                            Exporter offers on Friday night for January shipment FOB shipped in
                            dollars per bushel:

                            US 2 or btr Soft White Wheat $ 5.06 unch
                            US 2 or btr Western White Wheat $ 5.11 unch
                            US 2 or btr Hard Red Winter Wheat, ord.% $ 5.83 unch
                            US 2 or btr Hard Red Winter Wheat, 11.5% $ 5.87 unch
                            US 2 or btr Hard Red Winter Wheat, 13% $ 6.05 unch
                            US 2 or btr Northern Spring Wheat, 13% $ 5.98 up 2
                            US 2 or btr Dk Northern Spring Wheat, 14% $ 6.02 up 2
                            US 2 or btr Northern Spring Wheat, 14.5% $ 6.05 up 2
                            US 2 Barley NA no comp
                            US 3 Yellow Corn NA no comp

                            Exporter Bids Portland Rail/Barge October 2006
                            Averages in Dollars per bushel

                            No. 1 Soft White $4.97
                            No. 1 Hard Red Winter (Ordinary protein) $5.56
                            No. 1 Hard Red Winter (11.5% protein) $5.71
                            No. 1 Dark Northern Spring (14% protein) $5.80
                            No. 2 Barley $NA

                            Source: USDA Market News Service, Portland, OR
                            Martha Hansen (503) 326-2237
                            24 hour price information: (503) 326-2022
                            www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/jo gr110.txt

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                              #15
                              I suppose this is just opinion too!

                              On the basis;

                              On Oct 13 I did a basis contract for 18000 bushels basis was 7.91/t over with a deposit to the pool acount (Adjustment factor) of 5.75/t for a basis of $2.16/t or 6 cents a bushel over Minn. I also pay $55/t in freight and elevation.


                              If you notice below Cash bids in Minn were 28 cents over December.

                              Bottineau ND Wheat was bid at 60 cents under Dec Minn. (68cents C$)

                              My Price was $1.44 C$ under.

                              I'm losing 76 cents on basis (the cost of our system) or$28/t (Oh my gawd, it's worse than I thought)


                              MS_GR115
                              Minneapolis, MN Thu Nov 02, 2006 USDA Market News

                              Minneapolis Weekly Grain Summary

                              Prices for the week ending Thursday, November 02, 2006

                              The Milling Spring Wheat cash market was slightly higher. Movement was very
                              light this past week as farmers were more concerned with their row crop harvest
                              than marketing their spring wheat. There has been an increase in trading of
                              Hard Red Winter wheat on the spot floor this crop season.

                              Exports: Of the Wheat, there were 601,440 metric tons of Wheat confirmed.
                              Breakdown of the wheat is as follows: 446,140 metric tons of Hard Red Winter,
                              29,800 metric tons of Northern/Dark Northern Spring, 120,000 metric tons of
                              Soft White and 5,500 metric tons of Western White Wheat confirmed. Of the feed
                              grains, there were 252,000 metric tons of Corn and 68,206 metric tons of Sorghum
                              confirmed. There were no oilseed or feed ingredient exports confirmed. **These
                              may not be the only export sales that have transpired this past week; however,
                              they are the only sales that could be confirmed by USDA Grain Market News.**

                              Spring Wheat: Prices are for US 1 Dark Northern Spring Wheat with less
                              than 2.0 pct Vomitoxin. The 14 pct protein Spring Wheat was 1 3/4 to 6 3/4 cents
                              higher from 5.43 1/2-5.48 1/2, the basis was 5 to 10 cents higher from 40-45
                              cents over the Dec futures. Hard Red Winter Wheat 12 pct protein had no quote
                              on the spot market; the 20 day to-arrive bid was 6 3/4 cents higher at 5.31 1/2,
                              the basis was 10 cents higher at 28 cents over the Dec futures.

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