Behind the Green Door

[kpb]

I'm with grassfarmer and Horse on this one. Verboven writes for Alberta Beef magazine, I think, which, in my view, is a mouthpiece for ABP, big feedlots, big packers and the status quo.


kpb

[AdamSmith]

Agstar77, this may not constitute proof to you, but this is information that is readily available to any farmer who cares to spend 2 minutes on the internet.

Just go to www.mgex.com/cash_markets.html

Stacked up against what real data the cwb puts out (which is nothing)about current sales numbers and prices. I'll go with this until I see something concrete from the cwb.

Agstar77, Basis is the costs to move grain from the interior to the end user or export position. And the numers I've shown above show the true cost of the cwb monopoly system to farmers.

These numbers are pretty overwhelming and I'm sure by the time this political exercise is over, every farmer in western Canada will be shown these numbers and what they truly mean.

[charliep]

Just a note the historical prices have been updated on the CWB web site. I direct everyones attention to the CWRW DPC versus FPC/PRO chart. The CWB own pricing would support the comments craig, AdamSmith, et al have been describing.

[agstar77]

AS, all this is based on the assumption that you could sell all your grain into this market . If you could sell it what effect would it have on that market? We could sit here and debate the so-called greener grass on the other side of the fence but in the end it is all a academic debate. As far as I can see American farmers are going out of business just as quickly as we are even with their superior system. You may be right that some of us will be better off with the system you propose and I don't dispute your numbers , but I don't believe most farmers will be better off with system you propose JMHO. Oh and by the way I have not said I don't trust the Multi-nationals, I just don't believe we can put all our faith in the goodwill of their boardroom, since the will always look after their shareholders first, and I don't have a problem with that.

[AdamSmith]

Agstar77, you said "AS, all this is based on the assumption that you could sell all your grain into this market . If you could sell it what effect would it have on that market?"

What do you mean by "this market"?

This market is the world wheat market. The world wheat market is affected by 1000 different things that are dynamic and changing every day. Having 1000 new Adam Smith selling individually into this market will have next to zero impact on this world wheat market. Agstar77 it's all the same grain and the same amounts.

Yes there would be a new dynamic in Canada but that will not effect the overall supply/demand picture. The new open market dynamic will effect the way Canadian Wheat comes into the market and the open market will always accept the grain.

As far as what the basis levels might be with wheat from our grain companies, I guess I think a decent indicator of an open market wheat basis would be by looking at a combination of the current open market crops basis levels and those American Northern tier wheat basis levels which the open market wheat will arbitrage with.

I guess I don't understand why you believe that it will only be "some" farmers who will benifit, but "most" won't?

The open market will provide opportunity for all. Many new opportunities in fact.

And I believe a voluntary CWBII has a fit within the open market for those who may feel like you. We just need to see a "Can Do" attitude from that organization.

[cowman]

Well the good thing the "Green Party" has about as much chance of ever running the show as I have of being President of the United States!
Nice kooks that the rebels without a cause can vote for? Sort of on par with the Rhino party?
Check out who these nuts are? Alot of farmers?

[ivbinconned]

Hear, hear Cowman, once again the voice of common sense!