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    Surface rights

    The boy managed to get down to the Surface rights group meeting at Trochu a couple of days ago. There are quite a few things happening!
    The Surface rights board recently ruled on an increase in adverse affect for one land owner in the area. It brought the price up from $1800 to $3600! They set the rate at $3600 for leases into a field and $3000 at the edge of the field. They also upped loss of use from $325 to $350!
    In other words a 3 acre surface lease went from $2775 annual rent to $4650!
    The oil company is appealing the decision.
    The other thing mentioned of some signifigance was three cases being heard in December on pipelines? The three landowners are arguing for a yearly adverse affect payment. The landowners consultant feels they have a very good shot at getting this!
    The Surface rights group has a new legal document out called the "Surface Rights Discussion Agreement"? It basically lets the landowner have a lot more control over how they enter into a surface lease or a pipeline agreement. It involves the landowner being paid for his time negotiating with the landman and protects him from a lot of different things. If the landman refuses to sign this agreement the company will have a very difficult time taking the lease to the surface rights board for a right of entry!
    If the company does sign this agreement the landowner now has some power! He can basically run them around forever if he doesn't want the well/pipeline, or use it as a bargaining tool! Some companies have refused to sign this agreement but several have seen the writing on the wall and are agreeing to sign!
    But make no mistake...if the company won't sign they will in all probability abandon you and go talk to the neighbor! So don't try this one if you really need the well!
    Paul Vasseur is the consultant working on a lot of this stuff and is the guy representing the landowners who are asking for adverse affect on their pipelines. He stressed that farmers need to let their MLAs know they are not happy with how they have been treated in the past by the Surface Rights board and the EUB. He said the Surface Rights board has suddenly become a very busy place with more and more farmers challenging how they are being treated!

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    Cowman
    Do you have any contact info for that surface rights group ?

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      #3
      I find the comment "if you really need the well" quite interesting. Would anyone need a well and the disturbance that badly? that's a good tip, though. At least we know how to deter them.

      It is heartening to hear that landowners are getting a greater voice in the disposition of their own lands. For us, we cannot see impairing the potential development (or lack thereof) to allow a lease on the place - no matter where it is or how it is looked after.

      I really do appreciate all of the good information and tips that do appear on this site. Being as informed as possible before going into any negotiation is paramount. It's great to hear everyone's experiences and be able to piece them all together.

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        #4
        Sorry I am new on this type of discussion. I was at the meeting and I am handing the discussion agreement to the co. that wants to drill on our land. We will see whether they sign or walk.

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          #5
          There are a couple of cases I know of where the oil company walked away from a proposed well project - the trick was to insist they provide a detailed list of the chemicals used to frac shallow wells. The companies all insist they use only straight nitrogen but when asked to provide samples of the materials they use for independant chemical analysis they withdraw their application to drill. Interesting.

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            #6
            sundance: Pine Lake Surface Rights Group. I don't have any phone numbers but if you phone Glen Norman at Bowden Alberta, or Don Dreeshan at Elnora, or Will Moran at Elnora, they should be able to help you. They are all very active directors.
            Grassfarmer: The boy brought back some suggested addendums for surface leases and pipelines. One addendum is the company supply MSD sheets and WHMIS sheets for every product used on the site.

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              #7
              sundance: Further: Glenn Norman 227-2253 or 224-2799
              Don Dreeshan-227-2178
              Will Moran 442-266
              All with the area code 403
              I would suggest Glenn Norman...he is very passioate about this stuff!

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