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    #11
    I agree with your comments, but consider this. In Alberta the title to the minerals is separate from the title to the surface however that does not give energy companies the right to construct pipelines. The Pipeline Act gives these for profit energy companies the right to take our privately owned land by force for the construction of pipelines. Supposedly it is in the public good for this to happen.

    Now what you say is true regarding annual payments and asking for money upfront for negotiations. And perhaps the Surface Rights Board is throwing a few more baubles our way. But the point is we are still only getting pennies on the dollar for what these rights of way are worth. This is in effect industrial land once it is a right of way yet the landowner only gets paid damages. The Surface Rights Board is effectively giving a gift to the energy companies and it nonsense to suggest that gift is somehow in the public good when you consider the really outrageous profits the energy companies make at least partly on the backs of the men and women who own the land.

    I recently had a pipeline cross a quarter section of mine. And while I did a fairly good job of negotiating and effectively raised the price of pipeline right of ways in this area (the company had to go back and pay all the neighbours more money although the neighbours did not help me negotiate) the reality is that I did not get enough money from this pipeline to fill my fuel tanks one time (less than 2000 gallons). The money I received from the pipeline was basically a joke and I had to work very hard to get it.

    Yes the men and women farming our land resources are desperate for the money but that does not justify the government through the Surface Rights Board artificially keeping compensation at ridiculously low levels in order to subsidize the energy companies at our direct expense. Instead of $2000 an acre these pipeline right of ways should be worth $20,000 an acre just like other industrial land. And the companies can afford to pay it.

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      #12
      And I do agree with you on that! The price is too low and it should be treasted like industrial land!
      I also made one typo above? It should have read "The landowner is always awarded legal and personal costs"?
      One of the selling points of Morton was he intended to review the surface rights board and the surface lease/pipeline compensation? Stelmach has said nothing on this but is reviewing the royalty structure...which is a good thing and hopefully will mean a better deal for the owner of the resource...the Alberta citizen!
      There recently was a board decision where the board raised the "adverse effect" from $1800/acre to $3500? The company(Conoco-Phillips) is appealing the decision but if it stands every lease holder should gain a substantial increase in their annual rent at their five year review.

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        #13
        That SRB award and another one with EOG Resources can be viewed at

        Conoco Philips:
        http://www.surfacerights.gov.ab.ca/downloads/retrieve.aspx?file=2006.0134.pdf


        EOG Resources:
        http://www.surfacerights.gov.ab.ca/downloads/retrieve.aspx?file=2006.0133.pdf

        I get paid annual rental on four quarters of land involving a total of 5 rights of ways. All are with Nova now called TransCanada. I like the annual rent but the company is always working to reduce the annual payment. The payment was to be 20% of land values but the company cheats on this and if you question their land values you find out that the easement I signed is not worth the paper it is written on except when it comes to the company's rights. Again, Nova/Transcanada gets away with this with the tacit approval of the Province of Alberta who is not on the farmers side when it comes to getting compensated for industry activity on our land.

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          #14
          farmers son: You are preaching to the choir here! I've heard all the stories of how Nova is playing games!
          I agree 100% with you that there needs to be some meaningful changes and the landowner needs a better compensation formula! As I said I think Morton was promising that, but we have Ed Stelmach, and hopefully he won't forget where he came from?

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            #15
            Silverback the land is about 12mi/ from StAlbert and the going rate was in the 1600/2000/acre I am not sure why I got this much but I will certanly take it.
            There was 2 diferent propertys sold here in the county of Barrhead close to where I live and they Brought. One at about 1080/acre not much buildings and a 900sq ft house the other about 800/acre but the land all needs worked and a lot of time to produce anything seems all the money is coming from south by people in the oil buiz.
            My brotherinlaw at ponoka says his niebour sold 7 1/4s there for 3238/acre now that is in the 3.5mill range so how does any of that make sence.

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