2023 on track to be the hottest year on record, say scientists

[Guest]

So a lot of stories and distractions repeated again and again but no actual science or evidence to backup your opinions?

Are you class clowns still going to keep disputing the overwhelming evidence of human caused climate change?

Of course you are! LOL

[url]https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature[/url]


Highlights

• Earth’s temperature has risen by an average of 0.14° Fahrenheit (0.08° Celsius) per decade since 1880, or about 2° F in total.
  • The rate of warming since 1981 is more than twice as fast: 0.32° F (0.18° C) per decade.
• 2022 was the sixth-warmest year on record based on NOAA’s temperature data.
  • The 2022 surface temperature was 1.55 °F (0.86 °Celsius) warmer than the 20^th-century average of 57.0 °F (13.9 °C) and 1.90 ˚F (1.06 ˚C) warmer than the pre-industrial period (1880-1900).
• The 10 warmest years in the historical record have all occurred since 2010.

Given the tremendous size and heat capacity of the global oceans, it takes a massive amount of heat energy to raise Earth’s average yearly surface temperature even a small amount. The roughly 2-degree Fahrenheit (1 degrees Celsius) increase in global average surface temperature that has occurred since the pre-industrial era (1880-1900) might seem small, but it means a significant increase in accumulated heat.

But but , you said ocean temperatures have risen SEVERAL degrees?

[blackpowder]

Crop you aren't worth arguing with. And you are just repeating climate change denier twaddle crap and ignoring actual science. So give up! You don't have a clue.

And you wonder why you're the pariah of Agriville.
You start the thread, knowing the response. Admit you argue, then belittle.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

And you wonder why you're the pariah of Agriville.
You start the thread, knowing the response. Admit you argue, then belittle.

Then gets upset that no one takes him seriously enough to waste the time formulating a serious factual response.

[chuckChuck]

So when are you going to come up with evidence that says NOAA is wrong about temperature data? Never!

Because several other world class research organizations have collected the same temperature data.

And I never said the oceans were already several degrees warmer now. I said what will happen to our climate if that occurs in the future considering the track we are on.

"Given the tremendous size and heat capacity of the global oceans, it takes a massive amount of heat energy to raise Earth’s average yearly surface temperature even a small amount. The roughly 2-degree Fahrenheit (1 degrees Celsius) increase in global average surface temperature that has occurred since the pre-industrial era (1880-1900) might seem small, but it means a significant increase in accumulated heat."

[checking]

Perhaps NOAA temperature data is only important if it is statistically significant.

Will you, or anyone be confident enough to state that these outcomes speculated shall happen. You even seem skeptical. It is coming from a guy who admits he will be dead before it happens, yet you will not state that these outcomes "shall" happen. Your statement, slightly rearranged is, what will happen to our climate if the oceans of the world, in the future, rise several degrees warmer than now considering the track we are on. If that was a question, would you answer it?

Maybe, is not an answer.

[shtferbrains]

"Given the tremendous size and heat capacity of the global oceans, it takes a massive amount of heat energy to raise Earth’s average yearly surface temperature even a small amount."

From data available from many sources:

This from [url]https://oceana.org/;[/url]

"Yet, one of the last unknown frontiers – and one of the most deceptively familiar – is on our very own planet. More than 80% of the ocean remains unexplored."

As you state Chuck, huge surface area. 71% of the earths surface is water. Some is 7 miles deep.

How many points do they measure to monitor that huge volume of water?

To "roughly 2 degrees fahrenheit"?

What does "one of the last unknown frontiers – and one of the most deceptively familiar" mean?

[sumdumguy]

Blah-blah-blah Chuck, go catch a mouse! ????

[fjlip]

Like Jordan Petersen says....it's all TOO complex to predict, from computer models, any accurate outcome. Literally billions of points of data are involved. One missed and all is crap. Plus most models are written to reach a pre determined result.

NEVER can anyone accurately measure an AVERAGE instant world temp! NEVER. Data changes every minute. How can we believe SO completely in a flawed man made scenario?

Called SUCKERS if we do.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

From data available from many sources:

This from [url]https://oceana.org/;[/url]

"Yet, one of the last unknown frontiers – and one of the most deceptively familiar – is on our very own planet. More than 80% of the ocean remains unexplored."

As you state Chuck, huge surface area. 71% of the earths surface is water. Some is 7 miles deep.

How many points do they measure to monitor that huge volume of water?

To "roughly 2 degrees fahrenheit"?

What does "one of the last unknown frontiers – and one of the most deceptively familiar" mean?

And even more importantly, anyone who thinks the atmosphere is even capable of warming up the oceans needs a lesson in basic physics.
The oceans literally have more than 1,000 times more heat capacity than the entire atmosphere.
The atmosphere would have to warm by more than 1,000°, to achieve Chucks fantasy of warming the oceans by even one degree, let alone multiple degrees. And the timescale is unimaginable.
But why let the laws of physics get in the way of a good doomsday story.

[Guest]

Do you ever get the feeling you are arguing with a 2 year old? Lol

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Do you ever get the feeling you are arguing with a 2 year old? Lol

No, I don't. I've spent enough time arguing with 2-year-olds to know that a 2-year-old is constantly improving. Everyday they will be a little bit smarter, more mature, better socialized, better able to effectively communicate. They won't keep making the same mistakes over and over and over for years on end.
Arguing with a 2-year-old is actually quite rewarding compared to this.

[chuckChuck]

AB5 "And even more importantly, anyone who thinks the atmosphere is even capable of warming up the oceans needs a lesson in basic physics."

Yes Abby you should learn some basic physics! You are wrong again! LOL

[url]https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/ocean-warming/[/url]

Ocean Warming

LATEST MEASUREMENT:
December 2022
345 (± 2) zettajoules
since 1955



Ninety percent of global warming is occurring in the ocean, causing the water’s internal heat to increase since modern recordkeeping began in 1955, as shown in the upper chart. (The shaded blue region indicates the 95% margin of uncertainty.) This chart shows annual estimates for the first 2,000 meters of ocean depth.

Each data point in the upper chart represents a five-year average. For example, the 2020 value represents the average change in ocean heat content (since 1955) for the years 2018 up to and including 2022.

The lower chart tracks monthly changes in ocean heat content for the entire water column (from the top to the bottom of the ocean) from 1992 to 2019, integrating observations from satellites, in-water instruments, and computer models. Both charts are expressed in zettajoules ([url]https://climate.nasa.gov/resources/glossary/?alpha=A-Z:title&ss_id=32[/url]).

Heat stored in the ocean causes its water to expand, which is responsible for one-third to one-half of global sea level rise. Most of the added energy is stored at the surface, at a depth of zero to 700 meters. The last 10 years were the ocean’s warmest decade since at least the 1800s. The year 2022 was the ocean’s warmest recorded year and saw the highest global sea level.

Covering more than 70% of Earth’s surface, our global ocean has a very high heat capacity. It has absorbed 90% of the warming that has occurred in recent decades due to increasing greenhouse gases, and the top few meters of the ocean store as much heat as Earth's entire atmosphere.

The effects of ocean warming include sea level rise due to thermal expansion, coral bleaching, accelerated melting of Earth’s major ice sheets, intensified hurricanes*, and changes in ocean health and biochemistry.

*Accurate ocean heat content data add valuable information about the heat below the ocean's surface that fuels hurricanes and affects their intensity. NASA provides estimates of ocean heat content derived from the sea surface height that has been measured by satellite altimetry missions since early 1990s, including the recently launched Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich ([url]http://www.nasa.gov/sentinel-6/overview[/url]) mission.

[chuckChuck]

[url]https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/oceans[/url]

Summary of Key Points

• Ocean Heat ([url]https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/ocean-heat[/url]). Four independent analyses show that the amount of heat stored in the ocean has increased substantially since the 1950s. Ocean heat content not only determines sea surface temperature, but also affects sea level and currents.
• Sea Surface Temperature ([url]https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/sea-surface-temperature[/url]). Ocean surface temperatures increased around the world during the 20^th century. Even with some year-to-year variation, the overall increase is clear, and sea surface temperatures have been consistently higher during the past three decades than at any other time since reliable observations began in the late 1800s.

Climate Change Indicators: Oceans

Covering about 70 percent of the Earth’s surface, the world’s oceans have a two-way relationship with weather and climate. The oceans influence the weather on local to global scales, while changes in climate can fundamentally alter many properties of the oceans. This chapter examines how some of these important characteristics of the oceans have changed over time.
Why does it matter?

As greenhouse gases trap more energy from the sun, the oceans are absorbing more heat, resulting in an increase in sea surface temperatures and rising sea level. Changes in ocean temperatures and currents brought about by climate change will lead to alterations in climate patterns around the world.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, has it ever occurred to you that you have cause and effect reversed? See the above post about the impossibility of warming the oceans with the atmosphere on any human timescale.

[chuckChuck]

Chuck, has it ever occurred to you that you have cause and effect reversed? See the above post about the impossibility of warming the oceans with the atmosphere on any human timescale.

Did you miss this part Abby?

"As greenhouse gases trap more energy from the sun, the oceans are absorbing more heat, resulting in an increase in sea surface temperatures".

Of course oceans and the atmosphere warm and work together.

How the hell did you make it through University?

You should be embarrassed to say that the atmosphere does not cause warming oceans. Instead you double down on your lack of knowledge and lies.