PTRC releases paper on compressed air energy storage

[chuckChuck]

Another option for string renewable energy:

PTRC releases paper on compressed air energy storage

[url]https://ptrc.ca/pub/Blog/ptrc-caes-white-paper-2023-final.pdf[/url]

?The Petroleum Technology Research Centre is discussing the potential of an energy source.

REGINA - The Petroleum Technology Research Centre (PTRC) has formulated a white paper on the development of compressed air energy storage (CAES) in Saskatchewan.

It would be one possible solution to produce cost-competitive, low or emissions-free capacity electricity.

Using available and commercially-proven equipment, and known Saskatchewan geology, CAES could be used to fully integrate intermittent renewable energy sources into Saskatchewan’s power grid.
The PTRC said CAES technology has been proven at the industrial scale in Germany and the United States, and the PTRC added Saskatchewan is particularly blessed with the ideal geology to develop CAES projects.

CAES involves powering a compressor to store large volumes of air at depth in purpose-built salt caverns to later be released through a turbine during periods of high-power demand. The amount of power CAES could provide would be dependent on the size of the storage caverns and the capacity of the compression and generation equipment.
The white paper is available at the PTRC’s website. Brian Brunskill and Robert Stewart were commissioned by the PTRC to write the document.

CAES involves powering a compressor to store large volumes of air at depth in purpose-built salt caverns to later be released through a turbine during periods of high-power demand. The amount of power CAES could provide would be dependent on the size of the storage caverns and the capacity of the compression and generation equipment.

The white paper is available at the PTRC’s website. Brian Brunskill and Robert Stewart were commissioned by the PTRC to write the document.

The PTRC is a non-profit corporation founded in 1998 to facilitate research, development and field demonstration projects to reduce the carbon footprint and increase the production of subsurface energy.

The PTRC seeks to support industry, government and research providers to realize their environmental, social and governance needs. It strives to be the incubator, accelerator and developer of research and innovation to reduce the carbon footprint and increase the production of subsurface energy.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So you are in favor of using what is already the most expensive electricity generation source( remember in the previous thread where you exposed the fact that wind and solar are 28 times more expensive than fossil fuels), to compress then expand air, which is one of the least efficient processes for converting energy forms.

That should work wonders for the end cost of electricity to the consumers.

[chuckChuck]

[url]https://ptrc.ca/pub/Blog/ptrc-caes-white-paper-2023-final.pdf[/url]

Summary
Compressed Air Energy Storage is a mature technology that can be implemented in Saskatchewan, utilizing our abundant and well-understood geological resources for cavern development and our abundant wind and solar resources for power generation. Billions of dollars would be invested in Saskatchewan-based businesses and communities if this technology is developed.

Saskatchewan’s Economic Opportunity
Significant investment will be required to replace coal and potentially natural gas power generation by 2035.
Developing renewable sources in conjunction with CAES technology have the potential to keep most of this
investment in Saskatchewan. By building our wind and solar generating infrastructure (secure, cheap
Saskatchewan feedstocks) along with CAES (abundant subsurface salt resources), Saskatchewan will be less
dependent on importing power from Manitoba or North Dakota, or natural gas from Alberta and B.C.
(Saskatchewan currently imports over 50% of natural gas consumed14). In addition, we can leverage our highly
trained and experienced oilfield and power plant workforce to build and operate this new infrastructure.
Developing our own renewable resources will help keep capital investment and jobs in Saskatchewan, unlocking
regional growth opportunities and supporting the tax base of several Saskatchewan rural municipalities.
Developing CAES infrastructure will support significant investments in the wind and solar energy sectors. For
example, to emulate base load generation, each 300 MW CAES facility would require the third-party investment
and construction of up to 1100 MW of wind generating capacity valued at over $1.76 Billion15. Indigenous
groups, farmers, ranchers, cooperatives, municipalities and communities could become power generators,
harvesting the energy of sunshine and wind. Developing CAES facilities could advance the economic potential of
our renewables’ generation – being some of the best in Canada.?

[chuckChuck]

Compressed air storage is comparable to the projected cots of SMRs which are likely to be far higher.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Because as we all know, the renewable energy scams always come in under budget and on time.
Have you been following the pumped hydro fiasco in Australia? Called snowy 2.0.
Originally budgeted at $2 billion dollars for a 27 km tunnel. Barely even started, and the budget is already exploded to over 20 billion. And years behind schedule.
I was watching a parliamentary meeting on the topic. In response to being notified of the massive budgeting failure and cost overruns, those who had supported it just kept repeating over and over again renewables are the cheapest energy source. Reminded me a lot of someone else I know.

[chuckChuck]

And small modular reactors are going to come in under their fantasy budget? Its only hydro and other clean sources of electricity that come in over budget? LOL

You said you would support renewables if storage was available. Did you change your mind?

[TOM4CWB]

Renewable Production and storage of NH3 would be magnitudes more efficient and productive.

If $Trillions are to be spent…. The environmental climate impacts…. Are never without consequences.

Astounding how shallow your schemes are…. Just like the CWB single desk… deceptively annoying and laden with fantasies ,assumptions , and social engineering….that humanity is intellectually capable of inventing technology to solve evil and selfishness.

Blessings and Prayers

[biglentil]

Compressed air thats a whole new level of dumb. Compressing air is terribly inefficient as heat is a by product, energy density is awful as well, then converting back to a useful form of energy again terribly inefficient.

[shtferbrains]

Is that what you call a reputable government supported organization Chuck?

The website looks like "Let's Pretend we're relevant".

[blackpowder]

What accreditation do I need to smell nonsense?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Compressed air thats a whole new level of dumb. Compressing air is terribly inefficient as heat is a by product, energy density is awful as well, then converting back to a useful form of energy again terribly inefficient.

Yes, but when the "cheapest generation" used to perform that terribly inefficient conversion of energy from kinetic to potential and back to kinetic, only costs 28 times more than the fossil fuel energy it is competing with, then wasting 1/2 to 3/4 of that cheapest energy becomes almost irrelevant.( at 25 to 45% round trip efficiency) Source: [url]https://backend.orbit.dtu.dk/ws/portalfiles/portal/6324034/prod21323243995265.ecos2011_paper%5B1%5D.pdf[/url]
At this point, it doesn't really matter if renewable energy with storage is 28 times, or 50 times, or 100 times more expensive than fossil fuels. Just degrees of absurdity.

[chuckChuck]

The white paper is from the Petroleum Technology Research Centre in Regina. There are already facilities operating in the US and Germany.

Who do you think has more credibility on assessing the compressed air energy storage?

Little Lentil who thinks the earth is flat? Or A5 who thinks we need more CO2 in the atmosphere not less? LOL

Or the Petroleum Technology Research Centre?

Wind and solar according to IEA are the lowest cost sources of electricity from new facilities in many countries.

[cropgrower]

great way for you CC to generate some energy , fully renewable

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Wind and solar according to IEA are the lowest cost sources of electricity from new facilities in many countries.

Just keep repeating this mantra over and over again.
But make no effort to explain why you posted evidence that investment in fossil fuels returns 28 times more energy per dollar invested.

[Guest]

The white paper is from the Petroleum Technology Research Centre in Regina. There are already facilities operating in the US and Germany.

Who do you think has more credibility on assessing the compressed air energy storage?

Little Lentil who thinks the earth is flat? Or A5 who thinks we need more CO2 in the atmosphere not less? LOL

Or the Petroleum Technology Research Centre?

Wind and solar according to IEA are the lowest cost sources of electricity from new facilities in many countries.

Sounds like a great way to get some numb nut bucks