How EVs compare to gas cars on emissions over their total lifespan

[checking]

It's good that I live in the present, and not on someone's projection screen.

Otherwise, I couldn't project that the 2008, 2500 Ram, diesel, with 306,000km dialed on mostly mild weather driving will easily make it to government regulated 2030 death on the surplus of $0.46/liter fuel stored from 2021.

Does your transporter have a full ice? If so, what is your percentage of ice mode miles?

I've often wondered about one issue people and what they drive, and what drives them. At least, some do consider cost, even if extrapolated.

[chuckChuck]

Most consumers don't have storage for any cheap fuel and gas up weekly. So driving on .46 cent per litre diesel from 2021 is irrelevant.

If the cost of owning and operating vehicles and value for money was the top issue for many consumers, then the truck market would be a lot smaller than it is.

The lowest cost option at present is still a small ICE car. Soon to be replaced by a small EV car.

Most people live in cities and drive very few miles each week.

And when they are stuck in traffic their EV is hardly using any electricity nor belching out pollutants that foul the air and send many to an early grave.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Occasionally Chuck stumbles on a nugget of truth which completely contradicts his mantra.
He correctly notes that the average consumer has no means of storing fossil fuel energy so must buy hand to mouth.
But his go to solution to intermittent energy is always storage. Sun doesn't shine all winter, need more storage. Wind doesn't blow for days at a time, just add storage.
EVs need to charge at night when they aren't in use, when the sun doesn't shine, the consumer just needs to add storage.

Meanwhile, storing energy dense diesel or gasoline is much cheaper, safer, has a smaller footprint, doesn't require any rare earth metals, or high tech containers, doesn't spontaneously combust, etc.
So the consumer cannot afford or isn't allowed due to bylaws to store energy in fossil fuels.
But they will for sure be willing and able(and can afford) to store energy in batteries.

[fjlip]

Ha ha

[Guest]

[QUOTE=AlbertaFarmer5;n784789]Occasionally Chuck stumbles on a nugget of truth which completely contradicts his mantra.
He correctly notes that the average consumer has no means of storing fossil fuel energy so must buy hand to mouth.
But his go to solution to intermittent energy is always storage. Sun doesn't shine all winter, need more storage. Wind doesn't blow for days at a time, just add storage.
EVs need to charge at night when they aren't in use, when the sun doesn't shine, the consumer just needs to add storage.

Meanwhile, storing energy dense diesel or gasoline is much cheaper, safer, has a smaller footprint, doesn't require any rare earth metals, or high tech containers, doesn't spontaneously combust, etc.
So the consumer cannot afford or isn't allowed due to bylaws to store energy in fossil fuels.
But they will for sure be willing and able(and can afford) to store energy in batteries.[/QUOTE


but,but, but …. Chucky said it will get cheaper to store energy
this is hilarious, do you think maybe he didn’t read his own post AGAIN.?

[kANOLA]

Ford is cutting there production of the F150 lighting in 1/2.Not affordable lack of demand.Are we going to have to raise subsidies to make this Joke work?

[furrowtickler]

Ford is cutting there production of the F150 lighting in 1/2.Not affordable lack of demand.Are we going to have to raise subsidies to make this Joke work?

Also range is horrible in real world driving .
when you add up the extremely limited range the cost of ownership skyrockets , then you are left with a worthless extremely depreciated vehicle. Probably worst investment in history . Lose 75% of your investment in 2 years and can’t actually use it as a truck

[Guest]

Just needs bigger subsidies from numbnuts then they’ll be ok

[fjlip]

chucky get on that! Beg the Turd to increase subsidy...you pay for it!

[chuckChuck]

A5, EVs can be charged at any time they are not in use which includes the majority of the day time when commuters are at work.

ICE motors are 20% efficient. EV motors are 80% efficient. 60% better! And much cheaper than fossil fuels. 1/2 the price in fact in our PHEV.

Hydro, pumped hydro, compressed air, geo thermal, tidal, nuclear, batteries are all forms of stored energy that don't rely on fossil fuels.

[blackpowder]

Check your math

[AlbertaFarmer5]

A5, EVs can be charged at any time they are not in use which includes the majority of the day time when commuters are at work.

ICE motors are 20% efficient. EV motors are 80% efficient. 60% better! And much cheaper than fossil fuels. 1/2 the price in fact in our PHEV.

Hydro, pumped hydro, compressed air, geo thermal, tidal, nuclear, batteries are all forms of stored energy that don't rely on fossil fuels.

So the average consumer who can't afford to keep a few jerry cans of gas in the garage, or is prohibited from doing so for legal or insurance reasons, will run right out and install pumped hydro in the living room.
And for certain, the insurance companies will look the other way when grandma wants to install a few gWh of batteries in the basement among the jars of preserves.
I'm sure bylaw enforcement won't mind the compressed air tanks or caverns in the backyard of the townhouse or geothermal wells under the front porch.

And now you are a proponent for nuclear, I thought you kept telling us it was the most expensive, now you want everyone to have nuclear as energy storage at home?

And are you sure that all of those methods listed don't rely on fossil fuels? For example, can you indicate which hydro dam was built without the use of fossil fuels, which batteries can be made without fossil fuel energy in the supply chains?