What if ‘Axe the Tax’ leaves most Canadians worse off?

[chuckChuck]

Says the farmers who receive a significant subsidy "premium" for some crops because a large percentage of north american corn, soybean, canola are used in biofuels!

But they don't dare complain about the subsidies to the grain based biofuel industries!

And when the subsidies to the oil and gas industries come up they go silent and run away with their tails between their legs!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I see a math problem with Chuck's anaylsis.
According to Chuck so far this morning:
The oil and gas industry runs on subsidies.
Anyone who pays CO2 tax is subsidized and gets more back than they pay.
Farmers are subsidized.
And according to those building the RNG plant, they are subsidized by the oil and gas industry who are paying CO2 taxes. Subsidized enough that they can be profitable making a product at 10 times the cost of the gas companies who are subsidizing them, while those gas companies are themselves heavily subsidized according to Chuck.

So it looks like, according to Chuck, everyone is subsidizing everyone else. Therefore there is no limit to how unprofitable any green scheme is, because there is unlimited other peoples money to just subsidize anything at all.


This reminds me of your ridiculous claims that the entire world is warming twice as fast as the entire rest of the world.

Do you have to prove that you failed elementary mathematics to get a membership to the NFU or NDP? Or is it implicit in the fact that you are applying in the first place?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

AB5, as you know we buy natural gas for heating in Alberta in gigajoules. A gigajoule is equivalent to 947817 BTU’s, so a little less than MMbtu. I payed $2.88 a gigajoule for natural gas on my last bill. This plant’s cost of production is just $28.43 a gigajoule. Roughly 10 times market price. This is absolutely ridiculous!!! Chuck2 is this the level of subsidization required for all brain dead green schemes?!?! Just like EV’s, subsidized by government but still more expensive!

It is actually much worse than that. You are comparing retail vs wholesale.

From the numbers I have seen, this is the level of subsidization that is common across the green scams.
As oneoff used to say, you can even make a pig fly if you put enough HP behind it.
What happens when the entire economy is trying to run off of highly subsidized green scams? Where does the subsidy money come from?

[Hamloc]

Says the farmers who receive a significant subsidy "premium" for some crops because a large percentage of north american corn, soybean, canola are used in biofuels!

But they don't dare complain about the subsidies to the grain based biofuel industries!

And when the subsidies to the oil and gas industries come up they go silent and run away with their tails between their legs!

The ethanol blending subsidy in the USA amounts to a tax credit of 45 cents for every gallon of pure ethanol they blend with gasoline. Todays price for ethanol is $2.16 a gallon. So Chuck2 how does that compare to the renewable gas being produced by the proposed biofuel plant in Calgary where the RNG has a cost of production of $28.43 a gigajoule and a retail value of $2.88(present price)? Not even in the same ball game.

[chuckChuck]

How much ethanol is produced in North America vs the small biofuel from waste plant in Alberta? Do the math Hamloc.

And making biofuel and fertilizer from waste that might otherwise end up in the landfill has other benefits.

[Hamloc]

How much ethanol is produced in North America vs the small biofuel from waste plant in Alberta? Do the math Hamloc.

And making biofuel and fertilizer from waste that might otherwise end up in the landfill has other benefits.

Oh, so because this Biofuel plant is a one off and small in comparison to everything else it is just wonderful to have a 1000% subsidy? Are you #*#*ing serious?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I don't think most armchair economists appreciate the implications of an energy source costing 10 times more than another energy source.
We don't throw money into the volcano of the global warming gods, and in return for our cash sacrifices, they give back green energy.
We use energy to create more energy. A small amount of fossil fuel energy to run a drilling rig to access a massive amount of natural gas for example. The EROEI ratio.
In the modern industrialized world, the entire cost of anything can ultimately be attributed to the total of all the energy needed to create it. Directly, and indirectly. Even the salaries of the accountants or researchers or salespeople ultimately go to buy energy or products made using energy.

So when the all in cost of one form of energy is 10 times more than another. It ultimately means that it takes 10 times more energy to make said energy useful.
The EROEI is so far into the negative it couldn't possibly power a civilization. It is only a drain on everyone else.

[chuckChuck]

Says the farmers who receive a significant subsidy "premium" for some crops because a large percentage of north american corn, soybean, canola are used in biofuels!

But they don't dare complain about the subsidies to the grain based biofuel industries!

And when the subsidies to the oil and gas industries come up they go silent and run away with their tails between their legs!?

[TraderJoe]

again CC, you have outdone yourself and posted a new, "dumbest post you have ever made"! Do you farm? Why not tell us where (not specific for obvious reasons), how many acres and what crops you grow? I am sure that some on here get more upset than others when you post the stupid shit you post, but what I really wonder is, how is it possible that an actual farmer is this ignorant about how the market, and really the ag world, works? I realize that you can easily lie and tell us anything, but I would be surprised if you were actually a real producer and not some Libtard/Dipper sitting in his mom's basement in Regina waiting for the return of Roy Romanow...

[chuckChuck]

6000 acres.

How do I know you are a real farmer and not just some right winger sitting in his basement who dosen't want to admit he is subsidized along with the oil and gas industry and biofuel too?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

6000 acres.

How do I know you are a real farmer and not just some right winger sitting in his basement who dosen't want to admit he is subsidized along with the oil and gas industry and biofuel too?

So, when you took your dog sled to Ottawa a few months ago during the middle of harvest, to attend the NFU conference, was that before or after you harvested your 6,000 acres?

[sumdumguy]

Chuck, I guess you could take all the money away from the productive
sector and you could disperse it to the rest of the population and the majority would be better off BUT the productive sector would disappear.

[Guest]

• Maybe chucky can fathom it this way;https://www.moore.co.uk/msuk/moore-s...a-beer-analogy

[blackpowder]

Chuck is a waste of time and positive energy. A list of his hypocrisies and ignorances would take days.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck is a waste of time and positive energy. A list of his hypocrisies and ignorances would take days.

You could actually save a lot of time by listing the rare instances where his hypocrisy or ignorance were not on full display.