Kool aid getting undrinkable

[furrowtickler]

The plan is to expand capacity of the system. Just like we have expanded the system all along.

Remember ICEs are 20% efficient vs 80% for EVs. So the total energy usage for EVs will be 60% lower.

Who in their right mind thinks wasting 80% of fossil fuel energy in an ICE is a good thing?

How do you expect to run your 6000 ac farm in the near future with petroleum phase out ?
You’re gonna need a few more breakers to plug in the imaginary electric tractors , sprayers , combines , heavy trucks needed .
how will be possible to have enough power on farm to run this fantasy world with thin the next 5-10 years ?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

At home in your garage. Did you ever think of that Case? Imagine a plug in in your garage? Naw, that would never cross your mind

Actually, I did, and I've brought this up multiple times.
I've pointed out that we are sabotaging our grid by adding solar, and pushing consumers to do the same. When I point out to you that it will be difficult to charge your electric car at home in your garage at night using solar power, your solution is to charge at work. Now you are telling us we need to charge our EV's at home in our garage.
While also telling us the solution to intermittent renewable energy is to use EV batteries as storage. So we should plug our EV's in at night when the sun isn't shining, and on average, the wind is weaker, so they can accumulate the excess generation from the non existent solar power, then use them to discharge back into the grid during rush hour the next day when they are stuck in traffic no where near a plug in.

I can't see any inconsistencies with your plan at all. Should work perfectly. Where do I sign up?

[shtferbrains]

This depiction of solar supply vs demand in the Summer is from Mantoba power website.
Not hard to see why solar is often of little value as proven in California where they pay neighboring states to take it in order to balance the grid when the sun shines.
Doesn't apply to winter as production is essentially zero.
Is there any logical reason for consumers to susidize home based solar? If the individuals producing surplus power don't need it chances are no one else does either.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

This depiction of solar supply vs demand in the Summer is from Mantoba power website.
Not hard to see why solar is often of little value as proven in California where they pay neighboring states to take it in order to balance the grid when the sun shines.
Doesn't apply to winter as production is essentially zero.
Is there any logical reason for consumers to susidize home based solar? If the individuals producing surplus power don't need it chances are no one else does either.

Is that the same Manitoba hydro who Chuck keeps swooning about because they are going to stop building new hydro projects, and instead switch to wind and solar?
The same Manitoba hydro chuck insists Alberta and Saskatchewan can use as reliable base load generation when we switch to unreliable wind and solar?
It sounds like they didn't consult with Chuck before making that graph.

[blackpowder]

The plan is to expand capacity of the system. Just like we have expanded the system all along.

Remember ICEs are 20% efficient vs 80% for EVs. So the total energy usage for EVs will be 60% lower.

Who in their right mind thinks wasting 80% of fossil fuel energy in an ICE is a good thing?

Never said that. Affordable fuel and food will always be the way. Just suggesting a measured transition.
Political stability only exists in stable economies. I suggest you are using the wrong methods to "force" said stability.

[Guest]

What? You cant add another 30 amp circuit to your farm without blowing the main fuse? We are going to add another 200 amp service to deal with all the 20-50 amp fans running in August September. The rest of the year we have a lot of excess capacity and Solar PV covers our average annual usage at a much lower cost than Sask Power.

Sounds like you need a grain dryer?

[fjlip]

Oh JEEZ no CC would be in BAD book if he used Nat Gas!

I get a kick out of some who THINK or DON"T think that tripling a 100 year grid is FREE, easy, doable! Get serious $trillions$ would be needed! Im phucking possible!

All this crap is akin to mental idiot Guilt bow. Big announcement today....cancel ICE vehicles by 2035.

[Guest]

Well he could get one that uses libtard sanctioned “heating oil”
there are some in the bush around here
aeration is a good tool , but unfortunately one of the most inefficient drying method’s available

[Hamloc]

Chuck2 will say I am anti-science but here goes. I drive a 2023 Chev. Blazer with a V-6 gas motor. Recently my wife and I were on short 3 day working holiday. When I got home we had travelled 675 kms. round trip. Still had a quarter of a tank of gas left. So I am guessing another 100 kms. range left. Now I could have waited a year and bought the all new 2024 Chev. Blazer EV. Posted range is 520 km. The vehicle is $10000 minimum more than the vehicle I bought. Where we stayed my car was parked outside and is snowed 6 inches while we were there. Now to come home I would have had to find a charger. The ICE vehicle being $10000 cheaper would buy me 7500 litres of fuel with which I could travel over 75000 kms but dammit according to Chuck2 I am anti-science!!!! I would say EV’s are the government’s way of reducing and controlling our movement and freedom.

As for the picture of Biden I certainly did laugh. A better one would be a picture of Stephen Guilbeault with Justin Trudeau’s and Chuck2’s heads stuck up his derrière!!!

[wade]

Why is everyone so skeptical of the new green ideas? It is proven that they will work.
In the past, every farm yard had a windmill and the buses in the cities were electric- probably more practical than today's as they had a continuous cable ran all over to run off of instead of having to stop to charge. Gotta love new technology.
Now, if they could only run a continuous cable so I didn't have to plug in my phone

[Guest]

Until , better ways were found , ((i.e. ice vehicles , POWER)

[goalieguy847]

Honestly i see it all this way.
EVs win out because they are " officially" less of a carbon footrpint. So this will get pushed harder than anything ICE in first world countries. In 3rd world countries that are developing ( and china).. welll.... heres russian oil... canadian coal... etc etc to burn and grow your population.

In the developed countries though... such as canada..
whats the difference in who gets subsidized? Honestly.
take a look at every provincial govt and you will see that ice related industry or Ev Related gets subsidized heavily. "Renewables" in bc .. oil and gas here in alberta... but at the end of the day its all in the name of jobs jobs jobs ( but in actuality big business wins and will always win).
How could we possibly need to sibsidize something with tax dollars in order for it to be adopted.. IF it is economically feasible? Hint. We dont.

If it isnt however, then what the piss are we doing?
Why would trudeau need to pump a couple billion to alberta in order to start abandoned well cleanups?
how stupid is that?

How come the federal govt really and truly bought the pipeline?

Why would you need to lift the carbon tax on heating oil in order to help people transition to using a heat pump.. if heat pumps truly are the greatest and most affordable?

Why would we need to give an incentive to people to buy an electric vehicle AND and incentive to install a charger for said vehicle.. IF its cheaper and more economical to use?
Hint. Its not.

But, business always wins and money always talks.
Personally id sooner see subsidies go to the development ( not the utiliization) of renewable energy products/ transitions.

Why wouldnt every single home in canada be built with solar panels and a backup battery? Sibsidize that to the tune of 10 k instead of paying people to replace their windows ( i got 200 bucks a window...even though we needed to replace them!)

The whole thing is truly ludacris both ways.
If something saves people money and WORKS for the people in that area * IN THAT AREA* then why would you need to pay people to adopt it when the natural cycle of economical evolution will win over. Survival of the fittest in feasibility.

[rumrocks]

Once Ottawa and the White House are blight free and the new governments return to operating a country like a business by allowing people, whether they live in Galveston or Norman Wells, to decide which vehicle, EV or ICE, they choose to drive based on operating cost, reliability and especially winter safety, the quicker companies will move to service those market needs. Socialist governments specializing in laws, taxes and bureaucrats always, always get it wrong, but if given the chance and left alone people become very efficient.

[Hamloc]

Honestly i see it all this way.
EVs win out because they are " officially" less of a carbon footrpint. So this will get pushed harder than anything ICE in first world countries. In 3rd world countries that are developing ( and china).. welll.... heres russian oil... canadian coal... etc etc to burn and grow your population.

In the developed countries though... such as canada..
whats the difference in who gets subsidized? Honestly.
take a look at every provincial govt and you will see that ice related industry or Ev Related gets subsidized heavily. "Renewables" in bc .. oil and gas here in alberta... but at the end of the day its all in the name of jobs jobs jobs ( but in actuality big business wins and will always win).
How could we possibly need to sibsidize something with tax dollars in order for it to be adopted.. IF it is economically feasible? Hint. We dont.

If it isnt however, then what the piss are we doing?
Why would trudeau need to pump a couple billion to alberta in order to start abandoned well cleanups?
how stupid is that?

How come the federal govt really and truly bought the pipeline?

Why would you need to lift the carbon tax on heating oil in order to help people transition to using a heat pump.. if heat pumps truly are the greatest and most affordable?

Why would we need to give an incentive to people to buy an electric vehicle AND and incentive to install a charger for said vehicle.. IF its cheaper and more economical to use?
Hint. Its not.

But, business always wins and money always talks.
Personally id sooner see subsidies go to the development ( not the utiliization) of renewable energy products/ transitions.

Why wouldnt every single home in canada be built with solar panels and a backup battery? Sibsidize that to the tune of 10 k instead of paying people to replace their windows ( i got 200 bucks a window...even though we needed to replace them!)

The whole thing is truly ludacris both ways.
If something saves people money and WORKS for the people in that area * IN THAT AREA* then why would you need to pay people to adopt it when the natural cycle of economical evolution will win over. Survival of the fittest in feasibility.

Great post. My favourite comment was related to Heat pumps. If they are truly so economical why does the federal government have to subsidize their installation to the tune of $15000 in Atlantic Canada?!?!

[wmoebis]

Can't wait until everyone on a city block or in an apartment complex plugs in at same time.

Was thinking about that too! I wonder how many KM an average city person puts on in a day. Would they run down a battery so low they would need fast charge or would trickle chargers recharge over night? I would think at night everyone on the block could run a fairly good size charger.

Does a trickle charger take more power than a block heater?

Keeping the interior of car warm in winter is a bigger concern to me.