EV discussions/ battery disposal

[chuckChuck]

The reason i posted this was to show the hypocrisy of YOU chuck. You post everything pro ev and renewable but verrrryyyy little concern about the negatives.
also. Christ sake man ive been trying to be reasonable but you just clap back in the worst ways.
Believe me sir. I know all about oil and gas. I get it. And it sucks. Money wins and danielle smith is a pure clown.
You always manage to twist and deflect and defend though
. Its something to see!

I have Personally told oil and gas to go blow in regards to drilling on my own land that i own and farm. Im no fan of big oil but i understand its need and use in todays world.
but again... this thread had 0 to do with O+G but in classic leftist ( and righties do the same) its deflect deflect defend..
But But But oil and gas!

A classic response .

Well played.

Your arguments are not so well played.

Of course we should be paying attention to environmental and social impacts of mining of all types and demanding recycling.

But the hypocrites often only bring this up when it involves materials for EVs while posting on their smart phone that runs on a lithium battery that is made of many of the same materials.

Our whole lives are dependent on mining and extraction.

Why single out EV batteries when you should know that mining and extraction of all types of materials often has negative environmental impacts?

Its the same with windmills killing birds. The hypocrites call them bird killers when windows, vehicles and domestic cats kill hundreds of millions more on scale far greater than windmills.

But you never hear a peep about them from the antiscience hypocrites.

[Hamloc]

Your arguments are not so well played.

Of course we should be paying attention to environmental and social impacts of mining of all types and demanding recycling.

But the hypocrites often only bring this up when it involves materials for EVs while posting on their smart phone that runs on a lithium battery that is made of many of the same materials.

Our whole lives are dependent on mining and extraction.

Why single out EV batteries when you should know that mining and extraction of all types of materials often has negative environmental impacts?

Its the same with windmills killing birds. The hypocrites call them bird killers when windows, vehicles and domestic cats kill hundreds of millions more on scale far greater than windmills.

But you never hear a peep about them from the antiscience hypocrites.

“Anti science hypocrites” Why is it that people who disagree with the supposed progressive narrative are anti science hypocrites!! You constantly insult people like myself who are not big supporters of wind or solar and call us flat earthers. Here is an excerpt from the AESO annual report. It states what I have always maintained and that is that during periods of highest demand, that being during extreme cold in the winter and hot sunny weather in the summer, wind generation performs poorly due to the lack of wind in this type of weather pattern. But I am the one that is anti science, tough to figure.

[chuckChuck]

We all know wind and solar are intermittent. Nobody is disagreeing with that.

But they can still provide a whole lot of low cost electricity that can be directly used, stored in EVs, pumped hydro, compressed air, ammonia and hydrogen. That reduces the use of polluting fossil fuels.

But you continue to assert they have no value or don't work?

Even when Alberta is building more and more capacity and getting more and more of its generation from renewables?

[checking]

Sounds like somebody got a spent lithium battery in their x-mas sock.

New year, new hopes.

[Hamloc]

We all know wind and solar are intermittent. Nobody is disagreeing with that.

But they can still provide a whole lot of low cost electricity that can be directly used, stored in EVs, pumped hydro, compressed air, ammonia and hydrogen. That reduces the use of polluting fossil fuels.

But you continue to assert they have no value or don't work?

Even when Alberta is building more and more capacity and getting more and more of its generation from renewables?

I didn’t say they don’t work. What I said was that they don’t produce electricity when it is most needed.

Here is what I see is the crux of the problem and I will compare it to combines. I already own a combine, runs on diesel, will work anytime 24 hours a day as long as there is diesel in the tank and nothing is broke. Environmentalists would have me buy 2 more combines. One that works best between 10 in the morning and 3 in the afternoon, solar powered so doesn’t work after 5 pm in the fall harvesting months. So then they would have me buy one that is powered by wind. So some days it will run, other days it won’t. So when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing, I pull the diesel one into the field. So even though I have used less diesel it took 3 combines to do the job of one. But I am anti science!

[fjlip]

We all know wind and solar are intermittent. Nobody is disagreeing with that.

But they can still provide a whole lot of low cost electricity that can be directly used, stored in EVs, pumped hydro, compressed air, ammonia and hydrogen. That reduces the use of polluting fossil fuels.

But you continue to assert they have no value or don't work?

Even when Alberta is building more and more capacity and getting more and more of its generation from renewables?

And these changes are all FREE!

C02 is NOT pollution...it's plant food!

[furrowtickler]

Where are all the raw materials for EV batteries going to come from for all the EV’s they envision in the next 10-15 years ?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Where are all the raw materials for EV batteries going to come from for all the EV’s they envision in the next 10-15 years ?

According to the CBC article at the beginning of this thread, those materials won't be coming from mines in Canada. Much of the article was about how the indigenous population has final say over the regions where the minerals are found. And how the environmentalists are against mining, even mining for supposed green tech.

[shtferbrains]

We all know wind and solar are intermittent. Nobody is disagreeing with that.

But they can still provide a whole lot of low cost electricity that can be directly used, stored in EVs, pumped hydro, compressed air, ammonia and hydrogen.

Unfortunately Chuck non of your examples qualify as low cost electricity.
Pumped hydro is used to add capacity to the system for periods of peak demand but never reduces costs.
EV storage may give the owner some emergency power in predicted more frequent outages.

All others are proposed but not in grid scale use and are expected to increase costs by multiples of our current supply.

Storing electricity for later use always make that supply much more expensive.

Emerging economies feel no obligation to adopt expensive options to reduce Co2.

[TOM4CWB]

Something is wrong.

Internal combustion engines can easily burn NH3. Without batteries… like Deisel, or ethanol, Biodiesel… Electric Vehicles cost at least 50%!more, need batteries, and are not going to work in half of the world’s economy…. Plus the huge cost of trying to upgrade the electrical grid… to a standard no one has a clue what it will be.
Practically 50 years to bring new environmental acceptable Nuclear into the electrical supply in a meaningful capacity. Storable fuel… of a reasonable energy density… is the practical solution… not batteries driving our equipment… in the vast majority of situations.

How many birds use batteries to power their flight? The intelligent designer King Jesus… calms the raging seas, heals the sick, with one word… and even Loves you CC!

Wake up CC…
Happy New Year!