EV discussions/ battery disposal

[chuckChuck]

We all know wind and solar are intermittent. Nobody is disagreeing with that.

But they can still provide a whole lot of low cost electricity that can be directly used, stored in EVs, pumped hydro, compressed air, ammonia and hydrogen. That reduces the use of polluting fossil fuels.

But you continue to assert they have no value or don't work?

Even when Alberta is building more and more capacity and getting more and more of its generation from renewables?

[checking]

Sounds like somebody got a spent lithium battery in their x-mas sock.

New year, new hopes.

[Hamloc]

We all know wind and solar are intermittent. Nobody is disagreeing with that.

But they can still provide a whole lot of low cost electricity that can be directly used, stored in EVs, pumped hydro, compressed air, ammonia and hydrogen. That reduces the use of polluting fossil fuels.

But you continue to assert they have no value or don't work?

Even when Alberta is building more and more capacity and getting more and more of its generation from renewables?

I didn’t say they don’t work. What I said was that they don’t produce electricity when it is most needed.

Here is what I see is the crux of the problem and I will compare it to combines. I already own a combine, runs on diesel, will work anytime 24 hours a day as long as there is diesel in the tank and nothing is broke. Environmentalists would have me buy 2 more combines. One that works best between 10 in the morning and 3 in the afternoon, solar powered so doesn’t work after 5 pm in the fall harvesting months. So then they would have me buy one that is powered by wind. So some days it will run, other days it won’t. So when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing, I pull the diesel one into the field. So even though I have used less diesel it took 3 combines to do the job of one. But I am anti science!

[fjlip]

We all know wind and solar are intermittent. Nobody is disagreeing with that.

But they can still provide a whole lot of low cost electricity that can be directly used, stored in EVs, pumped hydro, compressed air, ammonia and hydrogen. That reduces the use of polluting fossil fuels.

But you continue to assert they have no value or don't work?

Even when Alberta is building more and more capacity and getting more and more of its generation from renewables?

And these changes are all FREE!

C02 is NOT pollution...it's plant food!

[furrowtickler]

Where are all the raw materials for EV batteries going to come from for all the EV’s they envision in the next 10-15 years ?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Where are all the raw materials for EV batteries going to come from for all the EV’s they envision in the next 10-15 years ?

According to the CBC article at the beginning of this thread, those materials won't be coming from mines in Canada. Much of the article was about how the indigenous population has final say over the regions where the minerals are found. And how the environmentalists are against mining, even mining for supposed green tech.

[shtferbrains]

We all know wind and solar are intermittent. Nobody is disagreeing with that.

But they can still provide a whole lot of low cost electricity that can be directly used, stored in EVs, pumped hydro, compressed air, ammonia and hydrogen.

Unfortunately Chuck non of your examples qualify as low cost electricity.
Pumped hydro is used to add capacity to the system for periods of peak demand but never reduces costs.
EV storage may give the owner some emergency power in predicted more frequent outages.

All others are proposed but not in grid scale use and are expected to increase costs by multiples of our current supply.

Storing electricity for later use always make that supply much more expensive.

Emerging economies feel no obligation to adopt expensive options to reduce Co2.

[TOM4CWB]

Something is wrong.

Internal combustion engines can easily burn NH3. Without batteries… like Deisel, or ethanol, Biodiesel… Electric Vehicles cost at least 50%!more, need batteries, and are not going to work in half of the world’s economy…. Plus the huge cost of trying to upgrade the electrical grid… to a standard no one has a clue what it will be.
Practically 50 years to bring new environmental acceptable Nuclear into the electrical supply in a meaningful capacity. Storable fuel… of a reasonable energy density… is the practical solution… not batteries driving our equipment… in the vast majority of situations.

How many birds use batteries to power their flight? The intelligent designer King Jesus… calms the raging seas, heals the sick, with one word… and even Loves you CC!

Wake up CC…
Happy New Year!

[Hamloc]

According to the CBC article at the beginning of this thread, those materials won't be coming from mines in Canada. Much of the article was about how the indigenous population has final say over the regions where the minerals are found. And how the environmentalists are against mining, even mining for supposed green tech.

Also from the article. To get the critical minerals necessary to build all these batteries “Canada will have to develop the Ring of Fire, a deposit of minerals discovered in Ontario’s far north in 2007 — one that happens to be in the middle of an environmentally significant area called the Hudson Bay Lowlands.” There is an estimated 35 billion tonnes of stored carbon in the Hudson Bay Lowlands. How do environmentalists square the circle of releasing all this stored carbon to get the minerals?! Who is being hypocritical now? Or in Chucks world ‘antiscience’!

[furrowtickler]

Also from the article. To get the critical minerals necessary to build all these batteries “Canada will have to develop the Ring of Fire, a deposit of minerals discovered in Ontario’s far north in 2007 — one that happens to be in the middle of an environmentally significant area called the Hudson Bay Lowlands.” There is an estimated 35 billion tonnes of stored carbon in the Hudson Bay Lowlands. How do environmentalists square the circle of releasing all this stored carbon to get the minerals?! Who is being hypocritical now? Or in Chucks world ‘antiscience’!

It’s amazing how this is silenced by the “green” crowd .
that’s the fallacy of the full EV movement.
yes it will be a big part of urban areas , but even at that the environmental impacts of green “renewable “ EV’s is one of the biggest scams in history brought to you by this idiotic coalition government through the UN 2030 plan by a bunch of moronic UN unelected bureaucrats

[fjlip]

It's all tied to CONTROLLING the peasants...

[chuckChuck]

Mandatory digital IDs? You better stop using your cell phone and computer!