Renewable energy’s share on German power grids reached 55% in 2023, regulator says

[chuckChuck]

Renewables can all be backed up with appropriately sized gas plants and imports and hydro.

A large amount of gas generation is coming on in 2024 along with a whole lot more renewables in Alberta.

But that doesn't mean that renewables can't produce a very large amount of generation and reduce emissions throughout the year which is why they have been put in place.

[furrowtickler]

So we need 3-4 complicated power systems in place instead of a few nuclear power plants .
The total cost of wind , solar , hydro and a gas back up for probably 4 -5 months of the year in winter will be staggering in the future.

[chuckChuck]

Wind and solar are much lower in cost than any other way to cut emissions so even with backup and storage systems they will be cost effective.

EVs can easily store excess renewable electricity.

[Hamloc]

Wind and solar are much lower in cost than any other way to cut emissions so even with backup and storage systems they will be cost effective.

EVs can easily store excess renewable electricity.

Ok Chuck2, let’s pretend that yesterday there was excess renewable electricity(there wasn’t solar was at 16% of capacity midday and wind was 25%) and everybody’s EV was fully charged at 8 pm. Now the grid has no wind production or solar. So the grid starts discharging everyone’s EV. Well now it is 8 am the next day, still no wind and the sun isn’t up yet. Oh, schitt, everyone has to go to work but all their car batteries are dead!!! What a brilliant plan!!!

[Jordy2323]

Wind and solar are much lower in cost than any other way to cut emissions so even with backup and storage systems they will be cost effective.

EVs can easily store excess renewable electricity.

I had to quote this before, in the slim chance you would realize your own incompetence and attempt to edit your post...

So in the near future, most people are going to need two or more ev vehicles?
One to only store renewable electricity, and one to actually travel with?
Because you won't able to do both.

Also, a bit of an assignment for you... what is the carbon footprint of creating backup and storage systems for "renewables"?

[Hamloc]

Wind and solar are much lower in cost than any other way to cut emissions so even with backup and storage systems they will be cost effective.

EVs can easily store excess renewable electricity.

Let’s look at it another way, in a previous post I used the example of 3 combines, one solar powered, one wind powered and one diesel powered, all to do the same job but when the weather is right 2 can run without fossil fuel. Let’s be realistic, as a farmer would this lower your cost of production? Not a chance. Is having 3 combines to do the job of one good for the environment? Takes 3 times the raw materials!!! So how can having 3 no I guess 4 if you include storage, electricity generation systems be good for the environment? How can it be more affordable? The answer to both is it can’t!!!

[chuckChuck]

EVs can store electricity to drive with.

EVs are 80% efficient compared to 20% for ICEs.

Don't you have more than one vehicle already?

[Hamloc]

EVs can store electricity to drive with.

EVs are 80% efficient compared to 20% for ICEs.

Don't you have more than one vehicle already?

Ahh, so like wind and solar, we need 2 vehicles. One EV, and one powered by gasoline for when our car is powering the grid?!?!

[WiltonRanch]

You need a mixed basket of energy for reliability. CC is the expert on wind and solar so I’ll leave that there but nuclear is great for baseload as is coal or any such generation involving steam. To handle demand spikes hydro and natural gas are better suited. Anyone with boiler heating in their house will know what I am talking about.

[Jordy2323]

EVs can store electricity to drive with.

EVs are 80% efficient compared to 20% for ICEs.

Don't you have more than one vehicle already?

Huh? So you're saying an ev would rob electricity from a renewable (limiting it from being used elsewhere, like heating, powering a business, home etc...)
Which in turn requires more renewables... which in turn requires more back-up and storage?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Yes, in all honesty wind production through December was quite good as it was one chinook after another but the problem his when you get stuck in a high pressure system like today. Wind is producing at roughly 1% of rated capacity this morning. Chuck2 in your future world where renewables supply all our power, how many days of storage capacity do you envision?!

Chuck will never acknowledge this of course.
But I have provided the real world example of how much storage is needed for uninterrupted solar energy at our latitude.
Three full months of energy storage is being installed in remote wellsites where solar exclusively is powering the chemical pumps.
Using Chucks proposed solution, how many EV's would I have to own to power my farm for 3 months?

Wind power down to 29 MW now. That is .66% of capacity.
Or for Chuck since he doesn't know how percentages work.
Full capacity would be 15151.51% higher than right now.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Huh? So you're saying an ev would rob electricity from a renewable (limiting it from being used elsewhere, like heating, powering a business, home etc...)
Which in turn requires more renewables... which in turn requires more back-up and storage?

Can you see where this is headed?

And it is no more irrational than Chuck's plan to import energy from Manitoba. While simultaneously celebrating that Manitoba plans to forsake new hydro and expand renewables.
When your plan involves everyone borrowing from everyone else, it's not a plan.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Thanks German folk for standing up to the madness

Subheadline from the wallstreet journal about the protests:

Radical environmentalists pioneered aggressive protests — but they didn’t have tractors.

It is really scary to think how much power the makers in society actually have if they choose to use it. And how utterly helpless the takers are to do anything about it.

[cropgrower]

2050 !

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Another percentage question for Chuck since he keeps making these blunders about comparing percentages.
Wind power now down to half a percent of name plate capacity. If past cold snaps are any indication, it will likely hit zero at some point. Only 2 wind farms were producing anything, Taber and Jenner.
So when wind production hits zero, how many percent more wind farms will Alberta need to meet our consumption? Consumption is currently at 11885 MW.