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    #106
    First, start with Co2 contributes to climate change. Causes climate change implies it is the only factor.
    Cleaning up statements would go a long way towards some believability.
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      #107
      Canada could be a huge climate change winner when it comes to farmland | CBC News
      https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/climate-change-farming-1.5461275
      Canada will add a huge share of the land that becomes climatically suitable for growing crops as the world's temperatures rise, a new study says. But the study also finds that growing crops on that land could have many negative environmental impacts — including even more greenhouse gas emissions.

      Is CBC still a reliable source, Chuck?
      Because they claim Canada will be a huge winner of global warming. Canada could have 5 times more farmland than we currently do by 2080.
      Do you think the loss of the Palliser triangle desert (200,000 sq km total, only a fraction of which is arable) would be missed if we add 4.2 million sq km of farmland?

      Canada will add a huge share of the land that becomes climatically suitable for growing major crops as the world's temperatures continue to rise, a new study suggests.

      The study, published today in the journal PLOS ONE ([url]https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0228305[/url]), predicts about 4.2 million square kilometres of Canada that are currently too cold for farming crops like wheat will be warm enough by 2080 if greenhouse gas emissions continue to climb.

      "It may become our bread basket for the future. In that regard, it's good for Canada," said co-author Krishna Bahadur KC, an adjunct professor of geography at the University of Guelph.

      Currently, only a million square kilometres in Canada are warm enough for growing crops like wheat, corn and potatoes, he said.
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      Does this make CBC a denier organization?
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        #108
        What about this journal study which suggests global farmland could expand by almost a third?
        The environmental consequences of climate-driven agricultural frontiers
        https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0228305
        Growing conditions for crops such as coffee and wine grapes are shifting to track climate change. Research on these crop responses has focused principally on impacts to food production impacts, but evidence is emerging that they may have serious environmental consequences as well. Recent research has documented potential environmental impacts of shifting cropping patterns, including impacts on water, wildlife, pollinator interaction, carbon storage and nature conservation, on national to global scales. Multiple crops will be moving in response to shifting climatic suitability, and the cumulative environmental effects of these multi-crop shifts at global scales is not known. Here we model for the first time multiple major global commodity crop suitability changes due to climate change, to estimate the impacts of new crop suitability on water, biodiversity and carbon storage. Areas that become newly suitable for one or more crops are Climate-driven Agricultural Frontiers. These frontiers cover an area equivalent to over 30% of the current agricultural land on the planet and have major potential impacts on biodiversity in tropical mountains, on water resources downstream and on carbon storage in high latitude lands. Frontier soils contain up to 177 Gt of C, which might be subject to release, which is the equivalent of over a century of current United States CO2 emissions. Watersheds serving over 1.8 billion people would be impacted by the cultivation of the climate-driven frontiers. Frontiers intersect 19 global biodiversity hotspots and the habitat of 20% of all global restricted range birds. Sound planning and management of climate-driven agricultural frontiers can therefore help reduce globally significant impacts on people, ecosystems and the climate system.


        Or do you think these models will prove to be a wildly inaccurate as every other model you post, such as climate change, renewable energy, covid, etc?
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          #109
          Originally posted by blackpowder View Post
          First, start with Co2 contributes to climate change. Causes climate change implies it is the only factor.
          Cleaning up statements would go a long way towards some believability.
          What was it you said about the absolutist on agriville the other day?
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            #110
            Well done AB5 great research/facts, to wake up the one track minded!
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              #111
              Originally posted by fjlip View Post
              Well done AB5 great research/facts, to wake up the one track minded!
              Any hope of waking up the one track mind is futile. He already knows everything. And already knows everyone else's inner thoughts as well apparently.

              Facts will never penetrate a belief based on emotion.

              But it is still fun using his own sources to poke holes in his flimsy ideological arguments, then watching the response.
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                #112
                Chuck, you seem really worried about the future of Agriculture in Southern Alberta.
                To take a page out of your book, maybe you should tell the Southern Alberta farmers and their bankers that they are wrong.
                According to the FCC land values report, Southern Alberta recorded the highest land value increases in 2023, at 9.1%. The area you think will be the worst affected by global warming increased the most.
                Guess where the lowest increases were? In the place most likely to benefit from global warming, the Peace region at 2.9%
                Do those farmers know something you don't? Do they not know that the glaciers are going to all melt and they will have no irrigation water left? How can it be that you know more about their climate than the business people investing millions of dollars in land in the region?
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                  #113
                  Just for A5.

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                    #114
                    Crop prices say otherwise
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                      #115
                      Originally posted by agstar77 View Post
                      Just for A5.
                      Thank you for thinking of me.
                      Chuck should be along shortly to explain to you that climate is a 30 year long-term average based on a large sample size, not a single drought map.
                      A drought map accompanied by the acknowledgment that the warmer dryer conditions are caused by an El nino event.
                      And as furrowtickler points out, thanks to record crops worldwide, prices are not reflecting any catastrophic climate change. The market seems to take the opposite point of view. Just like all of the land buyers in Southern Alberta.
                      Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Mar 23, 2024, 06:27.
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                        #116
                        A5 now you are quoting CBC articles as credible!

                        Quite the turnaround.

                        But if you think hotter and dryer summers with less irrigation water will be good for southern Alberta I got some land In Arizona that I can sell if you are interested?



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                          #117
                          Geoengineering...

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                            #118
                            Someone suggested the 80 min. documentary Climate.

                            I watched it last night, it may change your views on big government, universities, environmental scientists and all those who believe, but for the most part probably not. It shows how Climate change has evolved into a trillion dollar business world wide.



                            At the1:02:46 mark when the woman says, " if you're not allowed to have that idea, you've left the room of science ", that's the reason it turned into a cult.

                            Much bigger scale than the Moonies of the 70's.

                            This will take years to unwind.
                            Last edited by rumrocks; Mar 25, 2024, 14:31.
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                              #119
                              Sums up the past decade of climate lunacy
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                                #120
                                Chuck, in the Covid thread you got all distracted and posted this link as proof that precipitation is declining due to global warming.
                                https://climatewest.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Snapshot-Changing_Prairie-Climate-2022.pdf

                                As usual, you present MODELLED data claiming that global warming will have the exact opposite effect of the observed measured trend. You do this over and over again, you seem to believe that models trump reality.
                                Otherwise, the propaganda article you posted is embarrassing. We have been through this before, everything in the piece is based on RCP 8.5. Credible climate scientists on your side of this debate are begging the media and governments etc to stop using RCP 8.5, which is the worst case scenario, and has zero probability of actually happening. Making reports such as this based on an improbable CO2 scenario is ruining their credibility and destroying the publics trust in the actual science. And you are propagating this, you are part of the problem.
                                And even if your propaganda was based on actual realistic science, it does not say that precipitation will decline, it models that precipitation will increase for 3 out of 4 seasons, and decline in 1 season. While simultaneously claiming that global warming will cause floods, droughts, cold, warm, increased frequency and intensity of heavy rain and droughts, all at the same time.
                                In other words, they have covered all the bases, no matter what weather happens, they can claim they were right.
                                And to top it all off, global warming will " compound the impacts of colonialism". This isn't science, it is woke propaganda.
                                Are you not smart enough to read these pieces before you post them to check if they actually say what you think they say?
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