NuScale cancels first-of-a-kind nuclear project as costs surge

[fjlip]

"In a free market the lowest cost supply should win the biggest share of the supply.

Otherwise governments are picking losers."

And yet you PUSH EV's, which is Gov picking those to win? They are more expensive, not a wise choice.

[WiltonRanch]

CC you have a hate on for O&G and I may be reaching but I bet you probably chased a land man off your place in a fanatical rage at one point in your life but what happens when a solar or wind company goes belly up and the infrastructure is left? Your beloved oil and gas has these problems but it is being addressed better late than never. What do you think cc? Should every new wind and solar installation pay into a fund for future indemnities like o&G? Or if it’s green it doesn’t matter? You must be writing Charlie Angus’ policy and speeches?

[chuckChuck]

Wilton the oil and gas industry has done the poorest job possible in being responsible for cleaning up after themselves. Billions and billions of liability that they will happily let the public pay for, all the while raking in large amounts of profit that should have been paying for future cleanup.

The oil and gas industry has been heavily subsidized with incentives and low royalties and now they want the tax payers to pay again? Take the money and run at its finest!

Oil and gas run out and the wells need to be properly decommissioned. The wind and the sun will last forever and those renewable sites can be used again and again with newer and better technology.

So comparing the much larger mess left by oil companies on good farm land and in the oil sands with renewable sites is not even close.

[wade]

Wind and solar last forever

Yes they do. BUT infrastructure does not!!!!! Technology does not!!!!
Site reclamation big issue for renewables also.

[Robertbarlage]

Just build a reactor already

[WiltonRanch]

Wilton the oil and gas industry has done the poorest job possible in being responsible for cleaning up after themselves. Billions and billions of liability that they will happily let the public pay for, all the while raking in large amounts of profit that should have been paying for future cleanup.

The oil and gas industry has been heavily subsidized with incentives and low royalties and now they want the tax payers to pay again? Take the money and run at its finest!

Oil and gas run out and the wells need to be properly decommissioned. The wind and the sun will last forever and those renewable sites can be used again and again with newer and better technology.

So comparing the much larger mess left by oil companies on good farm land and in the oil sands with renewable sites is not even close.

What I asked you is if a solar or wind company goes broke and leaves infrastructure in place who’s responsible for cleaning it up? Of course there has been messes left from oil and gas as is mining. However, if you want to drill a well you have to put up a bond for future remediation and I am quite sure mines probably have similar requirements. I don’t think there exists a similar framework for wind and solar farms.

Enough with the soapbox let’s address these future issues so landowners aren’t stuck with this rusting crap if the problem arises. Wasn’t any regulations and that’s why we have messes with old wells and mines.

[furrowtickler]

Wilton the oil and gas industry has done the poorest job possible in being responsible for cleaning up after themselves. Billions and billions of liability that they will happily let the public pay for, all the while raking in large amounts of profit that should have been paying for future cleanup.

The oil and gas industry has been heavily subsidized with incentives and low royalties and now they want the tax payers to pay again? Take the money and run at its finest!

Oil and gas run out and the wells need to be properly decommissioned. The wind and the sun will last forever and those renewable sites can be used again and again with newer and better technology.

So comparing the much larger mess left by oil companies on good farm land and in the oil sands with renewable sites is not even close.

Would be nice if you acknowledged the whole story of wind and solar .
yup there is a fit , but like most people are starting to figure out , it’s far from “green”
same as the massive mining projects for EV battery production.
we all know the oil and gas story on environment.
But be honest with yourself about wind and solar

[goalieguy847]

Yes. Chuck, youre bang on here. BUT i would point out that its not really the companies jobs to set the " cleanup" rules in place. This mess with abandoned wells really falls solely on the previous ..70 yrs of govts in western Canada ( federally as well). If you give a for profit an inch they will gladly take a mile, and when you have basically 0 teeth while legislating for post production well cleanup.... this is what you get.

I dont blame Danielle smith for putting the pause on renewable projects until they can hammer out the " finer details" of the back end lifespan of these projects..... HOWEVER, its a bit obtuse when the same provincial govt has provided very little incentive/ funding or legislative control over decomished wells.
look up the program requirements that north dakota has for finishing wells and then peek at the number of abandoned wells there currently are.

As for renewables and farmland....

Cmon.
Most of our shop/ binyards are plunked on decent soil and id bet a kidney that the amount of good farmland being taken up by renewable projects is peanuts comparative to that. What about grain elevators along the tracks sitting on great farmland....
urban sprawl is certainly more of an issue than renewables and good land...

Last time i drove thru southern alberta the giant windmills werent plunked on number 2 soil down by lethbridge...

Theres nothing wrong with increasing renewable energy power consumption in alberta...tthe western provincea
.... or the world. But there IS something wrong with not learning from our mistakes with oil and gas freebees that they took over the last 75 yrs. Also..
If something is so fantastic and amazing and cost effective ( oil and gas..... wind/ solar production....EVS) then why does the govt need to subsidize it?
( hint. It does not)
just as ford is stopping production.of their ford lightning truck due to range ( essentially thats it.. just range that withholds the general adoption of an EV.. if a ford lightning had a 1400 km range then all of us would be driving them # nobrainer) then the renewable builds ( and O+ G drilling) would die out without sibsidies.

If theres money to be made then someone is going to make it. If there isnt, then why are tax dollars being paid to someone to TRY to make it?

[WiltonRanch]

Yes. Chuck, youre bang on here. BUT i would point out that its not really the companies jobs to set the " cleanup" rules in place. This mess with abandoned wells really falls solely on the previous ..70 yrs of govts in western Canada ( federally as well). If you give a for profit an inch they will gladly take a mile, and when you have basically 0 teeth while legislating for post production well cleanup.... this is what you get.

I dont blame Danielle smith for putting the pause on renewable projects until they can hammer out the " finer details" of the back end lifespan of these projects..... HOWEVER, its a bit obtuse when the same provincial govt has provided very little incentive/ funding or legislative control over decomished wells.
look up the program requirements that north dakota has for finishing wells and then peek at the number of abandoned wells there currently are.

As for renewables and farmland....

Cmon.
Most of our shop/ binyards are plunked on decent soil and id bet a kidney that the amount of good farmland being taken up by renewable projects is peanuts comparative to that. What about grain elevators along the tracks sitting on great farmland....
urban sprawl is certainly more of an issue than renewables and good land...

Last time i drove thru southern alberta the giant windmills werent plunked on number 2 soil down by lethbridge...

Theres nothing wrong with increasing renewable energy power consumption in alberta...tthe western provincea
.... or the world. But there IS something wrong with not learning from our mistakes with oil and gas freebees that they took over the last 75 yrs. Also..
If something is so fantastic and amazing and cost effective ( oil and gas..... wind/ solar production....EVS) then why does the govt need to subsidize it?
( hint. It does not)
just as ford is stopping production.of their ford lightning truck due to range ( essentially thats it.. just range that withholds the general adoption of an EV.. if a ford lightning had a 1400 km range then all of us would be driving them # nobrainer) then the renewable builds ( and O+ G drilling) would die out without sibsidies.

If theres money to be made then someone is going to make it. If there isnt, then why are tax dollars being paid to someone to TRY to make it?

Well said. We know the messes created from resource extraction with no laws for remediation so we may as well start off on the right foot with these renewables. As was said before the wind blows and the sun shines forever but infrastructure deteriorates.

[TOM4CWB]

Yes. Chuck, youre bang on here. BUT i would point out that its not really the companies jobs to set the " cleanup" rules in place. This mess with abandoned wells really falls solely on the previous ..70 yrs of govts in western Canada ( federally as well). If you give a for profit an inch they will gladly take a mile, and when you have basically 0 teeth while legislating for post production well cleanup.... this is what you get.

I dont blame Danielle smith for putting the pause on renewable projects until they can hammer out the " finer details" of the back end lifespan of these projects..... HOWEVER, its a bit obtuse when the same provincial govt has provided very little incentive/ funding or legislative control over decomished wells.
look up the program requirements that north dakota has for finishing wells and then peek at the number of abandoned wells there currently are.

As for renewables and farmland....

Cmon.
Most of our shop/ binyards are plunked on decent soil and id bet a kidney that the amount of good farmland being taken up by renewable projects is peanuts comparative to that. What about grain elevators along the tracks sitting on great farmland....
urban sprawl is certainly more of an issue than renewables and good land...

Last time i drove thru southern alberta the giant windmills werent plunked on number 2 soil down by lethbridge...

Theres nothing wrong with increasing renewable energy power consumption in alberta...tthe western provincea
.... or the world. But there IS something wrong with not learning from our mistakes with oil and gas freebees that they took over the last 75 yrs. Also..
If something is so fantastic and amazing and cost effective ( oil and gas..... wind/ solar production....EVS) then why does the govt need to subsidize it?
( hint. It does not)
just as ford is stopping production.of their ford lightning truck due to range ( essentially thats it.. just range that withholds the general adoption of an EV.. if a ford lightning had a 1400 km range then all of us would be driving them # nobrainer) then the renewable builds ( and O+ G drilling) would die out without sibsidies.

If theres money to be made then someone is going to make it. If there isnt, then why are tax dollars being paid to someone to TRY to make it?

CC… beating a dead horse… C02 decarbonization… is clearly intrinsically Evil …and will be exposed for the environmental torture of humanity it is. “Climate Change “ purists… Are being exposed. Cutting off our nose to spite our face…

[Spyguy]

Wow. Can you believe that. Who would have thought the carbon tax is unaffordable. I guess lots of people according to the election polls.
Big rip of the hat for Premier Mo. Don’t back down to Ottawa.

[LEP]

A few years back 21,000 acres of good vegetable growing land was covered near El Centro. Not an insignificant number of acres.

I was approached by a company to put solar panels on my land. Once we dug into their operating and remediation plan. It was a hard NO.

The solar panels would be mounted on I beams driven into the ground.Then they wanted to put white rock across the entire surface. The reflection was supposed to create energy as well. When I questioned how they planned on controlling the weeds, they admitted that they wanted to use soil sterilant.

At the end of life they claimed they could cut the I beams off 4ft below the surface, pickup the white rock and remediate the topsoil to it's former productivity. Ya right.

[fjlip]

"C02 decarbonization… is clearly intrinsically Evil"

Agree, CO2 is just a created boogey man, it is plant food and such a TINY miniscule part of the air in your face it is laughable!
96.775% of Co2 is naturally occurring...

Never was a problem, it must be exposed to a naive, ignorant public.

Answer CC is it NOT tiny, a joke on you?

[cropgrower]

That will be how CC and the liberals simple minds work

[chuckChuck]

More crap from crop?

Give up because your responses are getting lamer and lamer!