Lucid and Rivian having problems

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"EVs do have three times more fuel economy than their gasoline and diesel counterparts, but this is only true when looking solely at the conversion of energy stored in their batteries into power for propelling the vehicle and ignoring the 59% energy losses upstream from power plants and power lines."

So Alberta tar sand oil takes a huge amount of energy to produce and refine. So we should add those energy costs in to the ICE calculation too to get a fair comparison?

I cant wait to see the math.

Now if my PHEV is charged by solar in my yard how much loss is there?

Solar and wind facilities can be closer to more consumers which should reduce loss.

And when you look at carbon emissions of hydro and other renewables, the clear winner is wait for it....... renewables!

So the assumptions in the paper apply to california's supply. So is the Alberta grid this inefficient?

California’s statewide average power plant efficiency of 44.4%, less 7% power line losses, for a total efficiency of 41.2% energy efficiency throughout the production and transmission process (a 59% energy loss).

So Alberta's efficiency of their mostly fossil energy sources of electricity is only 41%?