With Alberta renewables ban, business common sense goes out the window

[chuckChuck]

Its pretty clear that Danny wants to continue to subsidize the oil and gas industry and put impediments in the way of more solar and wind energy. Even though they are the lowest cost source of new generation.

Its not either renewables and non renewables, its going to be all of the above as everybody moves toward reduced carbon emissions and electrification.

The Alberta double standard on land use is a glaring example of hypocrisy.

Wind and solar will take up far less land than oil and gas do currently. And Alberta and oil companies have not funded the tens of billions in cleanup and reclamation of oil and gas. But then imposes higher standards for renewables? But they wont fix the oil and gas industries cleanup liabilities!

Meanwhile mining and extraction of the much more destructive favoured resources goes on and on?

Alberta free marketers are now picking winners and losers when it comes to business and resource development? This is completely opposite to what small government conservatives are supposed to stand for!

[Hamloc]

Its pretty clear that Danny wants to continue to subsidize the oil and gas industry and put impediments in the way of more solar and wind energy. Even though they are the lowest cost source of new generation.

Its not either renewables and non renewables, its going to be all of the above as everybody moves toward reduced carbon emissions and electrification.

The Alberta double standard on land use is a glaring example of hypocrisy.

Wind and solar will take up far less land than oil and gas do currently. And Alberta and oil companies have not funded the tens of billions in cleanup and reclamation of oil and gas. But then imposes higher standards for renewables? But they wont fix the oil and gas industries cleanup liabilities!

Meanwhile mining and extraction of the much more destructive favoured resources goes on and on?

Alberta free marketers are now picking winners and losers when it comes to business and resource development? This is completely opposite to what small government conservatives are supposed to stand for!

Let’s get this straight Chuck2. There is no doubt that there were past legislative mistakes made in relation to the regulations placed on oil companies as far as sight reclamation. Are governments not allowed to learn from their mistakes and apply what they have learned in relation to governance of new developing industries?

[chuckChuck]

Yes learn from your mistakes and do the right thing which is fix the problems of the past and apply regulations fairly without picking winners and losers.

Alberta is now discouraging billions of dollars of new investment in energy production!

That is a huge mistake, because when oil demand and prices declines which they inevitably will, then the the oil sands lose out to cleaner and lower cost producers.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Let’s get this straight Chuck2. There is no doubt that there were past legislative mistakes made in relation to the regulations placed on oil companies as far as sight reclamation. Are governments not allowed to learn from their mistakes and apply what they have learned in relation to governance of new developing industries?

That is the correct take.
He is now railing against the very issue he has been harping about all along.
What is good for the goose, isn't good for the gander apparently.

[chuckChuck]

Oil and gas and renewables should have similar land use restrictions and regulations.

Are you arguing that oil and gas should get away without strict regulations and reclamation requirements that cause far more harm over a much larger area?

[TOM4CWB]

CC your trolling is revealing.

Personal Responsibility, is a hard taskmaster…

your false information and assessment… or is this more intentional deception???
Many Blessings! We reap what we sow!

Cheers

[goalieguy847]

I just dont get the renewable ranters arguments here.

OIL AND GAS GOT Away with murder... ( metaphorically) .. but lets NOT learn from our mistakes and tighten up regulations on a new burgeoning industry whos equipment for production DOES havw a shelf life. Okkkkk...... so.... uhhh.. what?

When toucan energy went tits up in england they left the taxpayers with almost 700.million pound debt. For reference.... the 2nd largest bankruptcy in british history was Thomas Cook travel.. they had a debt of 1.7 billion. So toucan energy and their solar and wind farms had nearly half of TC travel... only thomas cook debt wasnt left on the taxpayers via subsidies and unpaid taxes.

There is no question that the regulations in alberta need to be tightened up against oil and gas.... but again, in classic Chuck formag here its
..

BUT.. BUT BUT BUT... OIL AND GAS.

focus on the point here that the regulations are now tightened on renewable energy projects . If you dont agree with the regulations youre clearly a) an idiot. Or B) a dumbass.
these are good regulations that help to protect the PEOPLE OF ALBERTA ...who will be here long after notley... prentice...Smith... Kenney.. whomever, pick your poison.

But.. but..but.. but
.. but... shutup .

This is a good thing.


But but but.
Just shutup.

[TOM4CWB]

The new policy was introduced the 29th of February… here is an Editorial from The Sun on the change.

[TOM4CWB]

2nd part:

[TOM4CWB]

3rd part:

Cheers CC!

[chuckChuck]

I just dont get the renewable ranters arguments here.

OIL AND GAS GOT Away with murder... ( metaphorically) .. but lets NOT learn from our mistakes and tighten up regulations on a new burgeoning industry whos equipment for production DOES havw a shelf life. Okkkkk...... so.... uhhh.. what?

When toucan energy went tits up in england they left the taxpayers with almost 700.million pound debt. For reference.... the 2nd largest bankruptcy in british history was Thomas Cook travel.. they had a debt of 1.7 billion. So toucan energy and their solar and wind farms had nearly half of TC travel... only thomas cook debt wasnt left on the taxpayers via subsidies and unpaid taxes.

There is no question that the regulations in alberta need to be tightened up against oil and gas.... but again, in classic Chuck formag here its
..

BUT.. BUT BUT BUT... OIL AND GAS.

focus on the point here that the regulations are now tightened on renewable energy projects . If you dont agree with the regulations youre clearly a) an idiot. Or B) a dumbass.
these are good regulations that help to protect the PEOPLE OF ALBERTA ...who will be here long after notley... prentice...Smith... Kenney.. whomever, pick your poison.

But.. but..but.. but
.. but... shutup .

This is a good thing.


But but but.
Just shutup.

This is politics in Alberta. Smith wants to slow down and stymie growth in renewables because she and her party don't like them. To much low cost competition for gas and oil.

Of course Smith the oil and gas puppet is standing up for her oil friends and imposing stricter rules on renewables and leaving the oil and gas industry to operate as usual with no plan to address the billions in clean up liability untill its too late and the industry shrinks and taxpayers and landowners will pay for it!

There is an argument for planning and land use for renewables, but where is the action plan to address the same issues and the much bigger environmental cleanup of the oil and gas industry?

There is nothing except bias against renewables and her "small" government picking winners and losers, which is not what libertarians stand for! Unless she really isn't a freemarket libertarian? Perish the thought!

[Hamloc]

This is politics in Alberta. Smith wants to slow down and stymie growth in renewables because she and her party don't like them. To much low cost competition for gas and oil.

Of course Smith the oil and gas puppet is standing up for her oil friends and imposing stricter rules on renewables and leaving the oil and gas industry to operate as usual with no plan to address the billions in clean up liability untill its too late and the industry shrinks and taxpayers and landowners will pay for it!

There is an argument for planning and land use for renewables, but where is the action plan to address the same issues and the much bigger environmental cleanup of the oil and gas industry?

There is nothing except bias against renewables and her "small" government picking winners and losers, which is not what libertarians stand for! Unless she really isn't a freemarket libertarian? Perish the thought!

Chuck2, Goalieguy is certainly correct in this instance. Alberta will probably still install more solar and wind than any other province in Canada, so to quote GG, just shut up!!

[chuckChuck]

Lets see what happens. But what we know is Danny and the hypocrite oil industry ass kissers are out in full force in Alberta!

And i am not going to shut up about it!

[cropgrower]

Would you and the other looneys be happy if all oil was shut down , finished ? the list of everyday items derived from oil is huge , would sure like to see how long the simpeltons that march with no more oil banners would survive if oil was finished

[Hamloc]

Lets see what happens. But what we know is Danny and the hypocrite oil industry ass kissers are out in full force in Alberta!

And i am not going to shut up about it!

Well I tell you what Chuck2, I am going to go out and hop in my diesel powered tractor and feed some cattle and then probably plow snow for an hour or 2(we got over 10 inches last 3 days) and be very thankful that my shop and house are heated with natural gas as it is -22 with a windchill of -30. I am also glad that my electricity isn’t dependant on snow covered solar panels as they wouldn’t be producing anything today. Am I thankful for the oil industry? Absolutely!!