Danielle Smith’s attack on clean power is an attack on free enterprise

[Hamloc]

More drought and higher temperatures and extreme weather too! Is that what you are asking for Sumdumb?

Are you sure that's exactly what southern alberta needs this year?

Chuck2 I asked you this question on a previous thread, you did not respond. Are you saying covering good cultivated land with solar panels will make it rain? With Canada producing 1.5% of the worlds C02 emissions, do you believe decreasing our emissions say 20 or 30 or even 40% will affect the weather, the extreme weather? Do you think all the new coal fired electricity plants that China and India plan to build by 2030 will produce far more emissions than Justin Trudeau’s carbon tax will eliminate? If all the emissions from Canada vanished tomorrow would it make it rain in southern Alberta? I look forward to your response.

[chuckChuck]

Why are you opposed to the free market Hamloc and against business investment?

[Hamloc]

Yes but Alberta chose a deregulated free market for electricity and says the market should decide what gets built. But now you are opposed to the free market? LOL

Has the Alberta government said it doesn’t want any new solar fields or windmills? It has said after consultation with stakeholders that number one and number 2 soil cultivated land is not the place to build a solar field. Governments aren’t allowed to regulate Chuck?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck2 I asked you this question on a previous thread, you did not respond. Are you saying covering good cultivated land with solar panels will make it rain? With Canada producing 1.5% of the worlds C02 emissions, do you believe decreasing our emissions say 20 or 30 or even 40% will affect the weather, the extreme weather? Do you think all the new coal fired electricity plants that China and India plan to build by 2030 will produce far more emissions than Justin Trudeau’s carbon tax will eliminate? If all the emissions from Canada vanished tomorrow would it make it rain in southern Alberta? I look forward to your response.

Actually, installing big enough solar farms could make it rain.

https://www.freethink.com/energy/make-rain

[wrongway]

More drought and higher temperatures and extreme weather too! Is that what you are asking for Sumdumb?

Are you sure that's exactly what southern alberta needs this year?

please tell us approximately what level of carbon taxes are required to stop high temperatures and droughts? $100, $200, $1000? inquiring minds would like to know.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

please tell us approximately what level of carbon taxes are required to stop high temperatures and droughts? $100, $200, $1000? inquiring minds would like to know.

Complicated by the fact that contrary to Chuck's made up data about climate change causing lower rainfall, both the ipcc and EPA indicate increasing rainfall.
So if we increase the CO2 tax to thousands of dollars per tonne to reduce CO2, it may increase droughts by decreasing rainfall, assuming that correlation was valid in the first place.
Decreasing the CO2 also reduces the drought tolerance of all non C4 plants.
So any droughts we do get will be much much worse for food production.
It will be interesting to see what CO2 tax number Chuck provides for an answer, considering the above inconvenient facts.

[ajl]

upchuck keeps talking about the free market. Well it ain't the free market that is building wind and solar farms: it is graft from the large emitters fund. This of course, is the AB carbon tax which needs to be removed. However, if we do that then the feds move in with their carbon tax on electricity. chuck needs to give it a rest as either he doesn't know what he is talking about or he is trying to deliberately mislead. You are not fooling anybody. I keep chuck blocked as that reduces the silly around here a lot.

[WiltonRanch]

Back in the early days of electrification of New York and such cities, Edison who had the corner of the industry at the time, and probably the ear of government, was pushing DC as the electricity everyone should use. It had problems with the need for heavy transmission lines and massive coal fired power stations every mile just about. Simply wasn’t practical beyond the inner city. Tesla, who started working with Edison, dreamed up AC which he presented to Edison but was eventually dismissed because he was too rigid in his thinking and honestly plain jealous of Tesla because he was much more intelligent. Edison slaved for years to figure out a viable light bulb. Tesla figured the ac alternator and motor in a dream. Tesla was digging ditches in NY when Westinghouse took him on because he saw merit in the efficiency of Tesla’s ac and thought Edison was an idiot, which Edison later proved. The fight was on to see who would get to electrify ny and the rest of American cities. Westinghouse ultimately won out because the tech was cheaper and more efficient. Succinctly Edison tried a smear campaign to discredit ac saying it would kill as opposed to dc. He would take it upon himself to publicly electrocute all forms of animals. It all came to a head when he invented the electric chair and didn’t have the desired result running 110v ac through the condemned. It was a slow excruciating death.

So my long winded post is making the point you can be on the cusp of technology but can become too rigid too soon and be eclipsed. Present ev’s and solar generation are the cusp but not the cheap and efficient “ac motor” so to say. What happens to these solar farms and ev’s, and reorganization of markets and supply chains when the far more efficient solution is found, or they are realized to not be worth the outlay? You have to be ready for that future so we don’t have a mess like all the decaying oil wells and leaching mines.

[kANOLA]

please tell us approximately what level of carbon taxes are required to stop high temperatures and droughts? $100, $200, $1000? inquiring minds would like to know.

Good question ,isnt it a bit arrogant to think that we can control Mother Earth that easily.Those earth muffins cease to amaze me.

[GALAXIE500]

This seems repetitive.
Neither the writer nor the whiner own land in AB, nor were they ever approached to sign a contract.

Certified land agents weren't used.
Contracts were garbage. Income was not guaranteed and speculative. And cleanup only above ground and only if company existed.
Landowners who signed made assumptions based on safe experience with O&G and were duped. Just like '47.

And again, some highly productive land was being taken out.
Definitely a victory for land owners and agriculture. Maybe write some thoughts on Right to Farm. Fanatics are incredibly intellectually lazy.
Let's see if the govt has fixed it properly.

Thank you Blackpowder for stating the real story!