Alberta government announces new rules aimed at lowering utility bills

[Hamloc]

Feb power bill.
938 KW hours x $.0885/ =$83.01
Administration $7.00
Distribution. $176.03
Transmission $.05833/ = $54.71
Load settlement. $1.40
GST. $16.11
$338.26

Gas bill. 23.6719 GJ.
Monthly operations. $30
Gas at $2.24/GJ. $53.03
Delivery $1.50/GJ. $35.51
Federal Fuel Charge.$3.327087/GJ
$78.76
GST. $9.87
$207.17

Questions lie in the Distribution charge. Not power

February bill was 15.38 cents per kwh all in with 6.89 cents of that being generation. And yes transmission and distribution are the larger part of the bill.

[chuckChuck]

Feb power bill.
938 KW hours x $.0885/ =$83.01
Administration $7.00
Distribution. $176.03
Transmission $.05833/ = $54.71
Load settlement. $1.40
GST. $16.11
$338.26

Gas bill. 23.6719 GJ.
Monthly operations. $30
Gas at $2.24/GJ. $53.03
Delivery $1.50/GJ. $35.51
Federal Fuel Charge.$3.327087/GJ
$78.76
GST. $9.87
$207.17

Questions lie in the Distribution charge. Not power

So BP you are paying 36 cents per kwh and Saskatchewan farmers are paying 15 cents. Well thats only 20 cents per Kwh higher! You can thank the deregulated energy market in Alberta for your electricity price which is 2.4 times higher than Saskatchewan!

[blackpowder]

At this point, I don't have enough information on the two systems to comment further. A fair amount of study required for full comparison.
There is also an amount of history to wade through as well. REA amalgamation and number of miles of heritage line comparison to name a few.
I have driven around both provinces over the last 40 years. Have cored coal at several power plant mines in both as well. Number and age of plant comparisons deserve a look.
Vetting your information and harder to find answers a full project.
I don't take a professors word as gospel any more than Rachel Notleys husband, who was part of the new plan. Or the companies for that matter.
Maybe we should be more precise in our discussions. Power itself compared to the full service.
Without this work, I will allow you to gloat in a degree of ignorance. It appears to fill your cup.

[blackpowder]

Also, depends on size of transformer in your yard by the way.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Agreed.
This reminds me of electronics, or mattress shopping.
Every store guarantees the best price on the exact model.
And every store sells a slightly unique model number from all of their competition.

[Hamloc]

So BP you are paying 36 cents per kwh and Saskatchewan farmers are paying 15 cents. Well thats only 20 cents per Kwh higher! You can thank the deregulated energy market in Alberta for your electricity price which is 2.4 times higher than Saskatchewan!

Chuck2 you didn’t comment on my bill, here are the details:
3150 kwh@ .0689/kwh…..$217.04.
Admin charge………………..$8.95.
Delivery charge……………$127.79.
Transmission charge……..$112.00
Balancing pool allocation….$4.35.
Rate Riders…………………$14.23. Credit.
Summary……………………$455.90.
So 14.47 cents per kwh plus GST.

The key is that delivery and transmission are determined by the size of transformer on the pole and do not decrease in proportion to electrical usage. In the summer my cost per kwh all in goes up as delivery and transmission become a higher proportion of the bill and this will make my cost per kwh closer to 20 cents in the summer.

[chuckChuck]

Still 5 cents higher than Saskatchewan in the summer which makes no sense.

Even Danny Smith thinks the overcharging utilities have gone too far.

And how do you explain BP's 36 cents per Kwh?

[blackpowder]

That's why certain math equations are used by someone with an agenda and some are ignored. Everyone does it. We only choose the answers that support our bias. Thankfully not my accountant.
That big transformer is painful. Cost of 3 phase worse. All for surge usage. FWIW, I know a guy who installs phase conversion systems.

[Hamloc]

Still 5 cents higher than Saskatchewan in the summer which makes no sense.

Even Danny Smith thinks the overcharging utilities have gone too far.

And how do you explain BP's 36 cents per Kwh?

I believe I did Chuck2 but you refuse to listen or possibly don’t understand. In Alberta the generation aspect and the delivery aspect are billed separately. One of the wonderfully moronic things Ralph Klein did when he privatized electricity in Alberta. He split Alberta Power into the generation side and the power line side. Now we have the generators making a profit and the power line operators making a profit. What I pay for delivery and transmission is determined by how big the transformer on the pole in my yard is, whether it is a 5 KVA, 10 KVA, on up. The bigger the transformer the more you pay for delivery and transmission regardless of consumption. In the summer my consumption goes down to about 800 kwh from over 3000 now(cattle waterers and electric feed mill run in the winter). While my consumption will go down by over 70% the charge for delivery and transmission will only go down roughly 30% which greatly increases my price per kilowatt. Ralph Klein’s reasoning for privatizing power was so that government didn’t have to pay to build all the required new generation capacity. He was trying to save taxpayers money. Personally I never supported privatization of Alberta Power as I felt it would result in more expensive electricity, which has certainly been the result. There is no doubt that the legislated early retirement of coal generation and the federal and provincial carbon tax policies have contributed to the increase in electrical prices as well. It will be interesting to see if you can comprehend what I just wrote.

[blackpowder]

There is no way Chuck has two degrees. If so, it helps explain what's going on in the world today.