Alberta government announces new rules aimed at lowering utility bills

[Hamloc]

So BP you are paying 36 cents per kwh and Saskatchewan farmers are paying 15 cents. Well thats only 20 cents per Kwh higher! You can thank the deregulated energy market in Alberta for your electricity price which is 2.4 times higher than Saskatchewan!

Chuck2 you didn’t comment on my bill, here are the details:
3150 kwh@ .0689/kwh…..$217.04.
Admin charge………………..$8.95.
Delivery charge……………$127.79.
Transmission charge……..$112.00
Balancing pool allocation….$4.35.
Rate Riders…………………$14.23. Credit.
Summary……………………$455.90.
So 14.47 cents per kwh plus GST.

The key is that delivery and transmission are determined by the size of transformer on the pole and do not decrease in proportion to electrical usage. In the summer my cost per kwh all in goes up as delivery and transmission become a higher proportion of the bill and this will make my cost per kwh closer to 20 cents in the summer.

[chuckChuck]

Still 5 cents higher than Saskatchewan in the summer which makes no sense.

Even Danny Smith thinks the overcharging utilities have gone too far.

And how do you explain BP's 36 cents per Kwh?

[blackpowder]

That's why certain math equations are used by someone with an agenda and some are ignored. Everyone does it. We only choose the answers that support our bias. Thankfully not my accountant.
That big transformer is painful. Cost of 3 phase worse. All for surge usage. FWIW, I know a guy who installs phase conversion systems.

[Hamloc]

Still 5 cents higher than Saskatchewan in the summer which makes no sense.

Even Danny Smith thinks the overcharging utilities have gone too far.

And how do you explain BP's 36 cents per Kwh?

I believe I did Chuck2 but you refuse to listen or possibly don’t understand. In Alberta the generation aspect and the delivery aspect are billed separately. One of the wonderfully moronic things Ralph Klein did when he privatized electricity in Alberta. He split Alberta Power into the generation side and the power line side. Now we have the generators making a profit and the power line operators making a profit. What I pay for delivery and transmission is determined by how big the transformer on the pole in my yard is, whether it is a 5 KVA, 10 KVA, on up. The bigger the transformer the more you pay for delivery and transmission regardless of consumption. In the summer my consumption goes down to about 800 kwh from over 3000 now(cattle waterers and electric feed mill run in the winter). While my consumption will go down by over 70% the charge for delivery and transmission will only go down roughly 30% which greatly increases my price per kilowatt. Ralph Klein’s reasoning for privatizing power was so that government didn’t have to pay to build all the required new generation capacity. He was trying to save taxpayers money. Personally I never supported privatization of Alberta Power as I felt it would result in more expensive electricity, which has certainly been the result. There is no doubt that the legislated early retirement of coal generation and the federal and provincial carbon tax policies have contributed to the increase in electrical prices as well. It will be interesting to see if you can comprehend what I just wrote.

[blackpowder]

There is no way Chuck has two degrees. If so, it helps explain what's going on in the world today.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

There is no way Chuck has two degrees. If so, it helps explain what's going on in the world today.

I am absolutely certain that neither of those degrees is in math or any of the other hard sciences. I could believe he has multiple degrees in gender studies.

[cropgrower]

still dont know what a woman is

[AlbertaFarmer5]

still dont know what a woman is

Literally. This may be the first time in history that someone could obtain a degree, or masters or even doctorate, and come out the other side knowing less than they did to start with.

[Jordy2323]

still dont know what a woman is

The Supreme Court of Canada doesn't know either... opting to refer to them as 'person with a vagina'.

?
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[fjlip]

To include those "persons" that got one installed...

[cropgrower]

so from now on if im asked about my kids do i say i have a son and and a person with a vagina ? will the men next be called persons with penis ? then what about the men in dresses that claim they are women ? WTF are they ?is this garbage just to keep the simpeltons distracted from the real problems in canada ?

[chuckChuck]

So you still can't believe regulated government run electricity in Saskatchewan is cheaper than deregulated free market electricity is in Alberta? Shocking!

And then the bigots and haters with short attention spans and small minds lose the thread and start talking about gender?

There is a reason why I call it Agrisilly!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So you still can't believe regulated government run electricity in Saskatchewan is cheaper than deregulated free market electricity is in Alberta? Shocking!

And then the bigots and haters with short attention spans and small minds lose the thread and start talking about gender?

There is a reason why I call it Agrisilly!

But what would you possibly know about deflection?

It's not like you are the foremost expert on the topic, with years of experience.

??????

[blackpowder]

From here it looks like Chuck is the only one in this room who wants the AB govt to do everything differently.
Next will be auto insurance.
I could pick on SK all day but I don't live there.

If I'm bored I could call and find out what my big transfomer and breaker costs. It's awful. But without, I couldn't turn on 3 air fans.
I have a diesel generator for another bin pad, but it's an expensive pia.
3 phase is 500 yards away and was $40k to bring in 6 years ago.
How does SK do it then?
Taxpayers cover it?

And by your math, my cost per kwh goes down the more I use.

[chuckChuck]

But you guys still won't believe regulated government run electricity in Saskatchewan is cheaper than deregulated free market electricity is in Alberta?