Renewables pose little threat to agriculture, environment: report

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Swearwords, emojis, nicknames and slang? Oh my goodness A5, Cue the fake an outrage! LOL

No outrage required.
only pity that you would continue to publicly embarrass yourself like this.
This was in response to the questions about what reasonable or normal person would have a problem with this.

I was pointing out the abnormalities and unreasonableness of the lone poster who seems to have a problem with this.

What normal reasonable person with an intellectual maturity higher than grade 3 talks like that?

The last time I heard someone utter "no shit sherlock", I was on the playground in elementary school. And it wasn't uttered by a kid with any intellectual abilities whatsoever.

[goalieguy847]

But chuck, this is my point. I know in an earlier thread a couple weeks ago i mentiones that urban sprawl surely must eat up more land than renewable builds or even oil and gas lease sites and builds.
you keep bringing up oil and gas into this conversation but it really doesnt belong ( other than a mention or 2 in the commission report)
i believe that both hamloc and i are agreeing with the report ( somewhat) and im saying... what does oil and gas have to do with these findings?
CC you just keep dragging them into this , and i dont quite understand your point. Are you saying that the govt didnt need to put these rules in place for renewables? That they should tighten the rules for O+ G ( they should)? Or that the ucp govt is being hypocritical here? Or all of the above?

You seem to reaaaalllyy want to drag alot of stuff up here again and again..when i think all of albertans ( of which you arent one , i dont think?) Would look at these findings, like myself, and go " ok, great, now lets move on!"

And as for " scaring off renewable investment"...

I dont believe that for a single millisecond. Can anyone name a single project that was pulled after being approved? Who isnt moving forward with their builds?
i bet you cant.......

we HAVE wind and sun, which incredibly, are precisely what is needed for any renewable energy project that is either solar or wind energy. So.
uhhh.....

What the fudge are we still discussing here?

You think that if an small oil company goes tits up, their wells arent going to be bought up by someone else? The oil is still under there...maybe its just not as cost effective to dig it up at this moment ( or the defunct company was poorly run and oncredibly inefficient). The oil is still worth alot of money just as the sun and wind that our province receives.
As solar and wind becomes cheaper to harness, more projects will come online, just as if oil hit 140$/ barrel.

" if you build ( have) it....they will come" ( and hopefully not require govt subsidies in order to lure companies over to make a profit)

for instance. As of right now, looking at fall crop prices, i have pulled all my feed barley acres and will swing them into oats, malt or faba beans. Even if i can grow 130 bushel feed barley ( that would be just... a perfect year somehow) it still doesnt make alot of sense in the end.

Chuck..Lets move along and start debating your next Trevor Tombe article posted on cbc ( i do actually enjoy his writing...i think hes a smart kid)

[shtferbrains]

No shit sherlock!

But we all knew it was a political decision to make up crap arguments

What a bunch of two faced hypocrites and liars.

Have to agree with you 100% on this one Chuck.

Government policy is always all about politics and what will get them the most votes?

Voters who pay taxes are realizing who is going to pay and are getting some indication of what the new green initiative ia going to cost.

Mr Trudeau and company have spent all the money we send them and created the largest deficit in history but we still hear "Climate Emergency" like all those billions have gone down the drain producing no results.

Taxpayers are seeing a bleak future with governments spending more than they collect and causing huge inflation.

Canada should be a prosperous country with hard working people able to live in at least as good a lifestyle as their parents and grandparents.

Time for government to get get back to basic and get out of our wallets.

Taxpayers have had enough of paying for virtue signaling.

[shtferbrains]

[url]https://www.canada.ca/en/agriculture-agri-food/news/2022/02/the-government-of-canada-invests-in-clean-technology-to-support-sustainable-farming-practices.html[/url]

If someone can make this a hot link it is interesting how government can dole out a relatively small amount like the $170 million on this program and yet for those of us who are close to the situation it is so easy to see the scams and waste.

Few knew you could get $2 million for solar panels or over a million to install a new grain dryer?
Add the word digester or biomass and a million $$$ is a good place to start.

All to avoid a "Climate Emergency".

Hope you didn't miss out on the real money when you sent in you application for the subsidies Chuck?
When you told me to go see a solar installer did you mean they know how to scam the application?

Or maybe by the look of many of the home provinces you get your MP's office to help with getting the funding?

[chuckChuck]

Utility scale solar, wind and other renewables are close to providing approximately 20% of Alberta's electricity.

Danny and the UCP chose the independent Alberta Utility Commission (AUC) to study the impact of the renewable energy sector.

And Danny chose to ignore their findings with a plan to discourage renewable investment. But otherwise all the other land loss issues identified are ignored?

So what part of the following AUC report dont you understand?

“Assuming all renewable development locates on (some of Alberta’s best) land, the percentage of (such) agricultural land loss is estimated to be less than one per cent by 2041,”

It found that renewable power is much less of a threat to the province’s farmland than other forms of energy development and urban spread.

“From 2019 to 2021, the largest driver of agricultural land loss was expansion of pipelines and industrial sites,” it says. “Other key drivers . . . include urban residential development, mines and wells, and roads.”

The report notes that the vast majority of wind and solar sites are located on poorer land. It also points out that wind farms use about five per cent of their lease area, leaving the rest available for grazing or suitable crops.

The commission concludes that current rules are adequate to ensure reclamation."

[cropgrower]

So what percentage of vehicles in canada need to be electric ? and what percentage of power generation needs to be renewable to fix climate change ? show us the science , dont tell us that research has not been done , or is it like the 2 weeks to flatten the curve that turned into 3 years to destroy the economy ?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

“[B]From 2019 to 2021, the largest driver of agricultural land loss was expansion of pipelines and...

I definitely trust a study that concludes that underground pipelines which are farmed over till the end of time are "the largest driver of agricultural land loss" .

You might want to check your sources. Or at least pretend to understand the industry you pretend to be in, and the industry you constantly malign.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I assume that Chuck and the author of this study must have seen pictures of pipelines on permafrost in Alaska or Siberia where they run them above ground, and assumed that that is how it's done everywhere.

Why would anyone embarrass themselves by coming on a public forum and revealing their gross ignorance.

[chuckChuck]

That was one item of several listed as a cause of land loss. Are you going to ignore all the oil wells and header sites and roads to oil and gas wells too?

Why did Danny and the dumpster fire ask the AUC to study the issue of land loss if they weren't credible or qualified?

So pipelines are never on the surface in Alberta? You are a liar or badly informed and probably both.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Congratulations chuck, you have your first official gotcha moment. You found a picture of above ground pipeline from fort mcmurray.
I concede defeat on this issue.
How much number one farmland do they have in fort mcmurray?