SARM is an embrassment with CO2 resolution!

[shtferbrains]

So flipper from which denier site did you get the climate change denial crap from?

You like to refer to "climate deniers" Chuck.

At this point what percentage of the world population do you think fits your description of a climate denier?

What percentage see it as a "climate emergency"?

Large parts of the world population don't have climate change as a main concern.

[fjlip]

I agree, it's TOO complicate to blame ONE thing!


Meteorologist Drew Lerner, president of World Weather, Inc., sees climate change as a natural phenomenon and sides with those who believe human activity is not the primary cause of climate change.

“Global warming certainly cannot be disputed when one looks back and accepts the theory that the earth was once covered greatly in ice,” Mr. Lerner said. He cites sun spot activity as the primary cause of longer-term temperature changes, but also notes a key role played by ocean temperatures. He suggests the massive amount of data and information now available about weather events around the globe contribute to the idea that weather is much more active and severe than it once was. But that’s not the case, he contends, as the climate “is always in a state of flux.”

Farmers shouldn’t expect any breakthrough, however, on long-term weather forecasting, said Drew Lerner, president of Kansas-based World Weather Inc. and a practicing meteorologist for 38 years.

“Long-range forecasting is an art, and it is a very risky thing to do,” said Lerner. “It really does come down to a great deal of prayer.

“There’s too much going on, too much chaos in the atmosphere. it is not a solvable equation. All we can do is get better at estimating.”

[chuckChuck]

Drew Learner makes money from long term forecasting and if he says human caused climate change is real his audience shrinks. And he thinks it requires more prayer! LOL

And he basically uses the excuse that the climate has always changed! Ignoring mountains of evidence from every credible scientific organization.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

And he basically uses the excuse that the climate has always changed! Ignoring mountains of evidence from every credible scientific organization.

which credible scientific organization denies that climate has always changed?

Can you provide links to this organization?

[rumrocks]

More climate change denial crap? Why not go back a few billion years ago to the big bang and compare the climate?

We are talking about climate change since the industrial revolution. Agriculture only started about 10,000 years ago and homo sapiens have only been on the planet 300,000 years but you want to go back how many million years ago to compare climate?

Give up!

We all know to solve a problem it’s best to use all the data that is available to you.
Think back to grade 6 and your math teacher asked you to find the average of: 14, 12, 8, 82, 3, 235, 55, 93, 116, 4, 771, 31, 29.
If you left out the first 5 numbers because they were too far from the end of the list, your answer would be wrong, hopefully your teacher didn’t say close enough, but marked accordingly.
Think of af5’s comments as a little written note in red pen beside your answer encouraging you take your time and think the problem through.

[fjlip]

"which credible scientific organization denies that climate has always changed?"

Answer the question!

[chuckChuck]

Everyone agrees the climate has changed Flipper.

But that doesn't mean that greenhouse gases are not warming the planet.

Read this from NASA!

[url]https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/[/url]

• While Earth’s climate has changed throughout its history ([url]https://www.climate.gov/maps-data/climate-data-primer/past-climate[/url]), the current warming is happening at a rate not seen in the past 10,000 years.
• According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC ([url]https://www.ipcc.ch/[/url])), "Since systematic scientific assessments began in the 1970s, the influence of human activity on the warming of the climate system has evolved from theory to established fact."¹ ([url]https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/#footnote_1[/url])
• Scientific information taken from natural sources (such as ice cores, rocks, and tree rings) and from modern equipment (like satellites and instruments) all show the signs of a changing climate.
• From global temperature rise to melting ice sheets, the evidence of a warming planet abounds.

The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia.


Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit ([url]http://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2949/why-milankovitch-orbital-cycles-cant-explain-earths-current-warming/[/url]) that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.

The current warming trend is different because it is clearly the result of human activities since the mid-1800s, and is proceeding at a rate not seen over many recent millennia.^{1 ([url]https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/#footnote_1[/url])} It is undeniable that human activities have produced the atmospheric gases that have trapped more of the Sun’s energy in the Earth system. This extra energy has warmed the atmosphere, ocean, and land, and widespread and rapid changes in the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, and biosphere have occurred.

Do scientists agree on climate change? ([url]https://science.nasa.gov/press-release/[/url])

Earth-orbiting satellites and new technologies have helped scientists see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate all over the world. These data, collected over many years, reveal the signs and patterns of a changing climate.

Scientists demonstrated the heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases in the mid-19th century.² ([url]https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/#footnote_2[/url]) Many of the science instruments NASA uses to study our climate focus on how these gases affect the movement of infrared radiation through the atmosphere. From the measured impacts of increases in these gases, there is no question that increased greenhouse gas levels warm Earth in response.

[fjlip]

"Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization"

What caused the 8 ice ages to end? Hydrocarbons were only forming then? Not man, not dinosaur farts? Tough challenge to know without a GUESS.

[chuckChuck]

According to NASA

"Most of these climate changes were attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives."

So NASA is wrong? And you and the flat earthers who don't do science are right?


([url]http://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2949/why-milankovitch-orbital-cycles-cant-explain-earths-current-warming/[/url])

[fjlip]

How does TAX fix the orbit? How does TAX change solar energy?

Crickets...Aha stumped him.

[TSIPP]

In reality NASA doesn’t have a clue, changes in orbit is the best guess right now.

[chuckChuck]

"NASA doesn"t have a clue" says the farmers who dont do science?