Trudeau says he is quite a man because he won’t abandon,”the fight”.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The science is clear arctic ice and ice on Greenland is declining because of human caused climate change.

269 billion tonnes per year since 2002 of ice mass.

[url]https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/ice-sheets/?intent=121[/url]

What are your measurements A5?

Got your tape measure and scale out?

Or do you just look out the window and declare the earth looks flat like your buddy BL? Where is he BTW?

I don't keep track of Biglentil, but if I had to guess, he went for a walkabout to prove the the earth is flat, miscalculated how far the edge was, and fell off. Either that or else he discovered that it is actually round and should be back after making a full circumnavigation, with an apology.

I personally haven't measured the arctic or Greenland ice. But do you know who did? Mariners from the past millenium have kept sporadic records of the ice extent in the north sea, Iceland, greenland, and into the Canadian arctic in later centuries.

Do you know how todays ice extent compares to the historical record? Is there anything unprecedented about our current middle of the range sea ice extent?

In the era before human caused climate change, the ice certainly varied drastically, from far less than today, to much more during the Little Ice age.
Can your CO2 is the only cause of sea ice declines explain all the historical variations?

Or did all those factors cease to exist when CO2 started increasing?

[chuckChuck]

No one is saying human caused climate change or rising CO2 levels are the only cause of receding ice.

And scientists are saying that the trajectory of warming with increasing CO2 levels will result in continued melting and significant sea level rise over time.

Where is your evidence that CO2 levels and human caused warming are not causing ice loss?

Look at the graph of 800,000 years of CO2 levels that were never above 300 ppm and now they are at 425ppm.

The planet had several periods of glaciation and melting in that 800,000 year time period.

And no credible scientific organization is saying we are headed back to any glacial period with rising CO2 levels currently at 425ppm.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Where is your evidence that CO2 levels and human caused warming are not causing ice loss?

So, now I have to prove a negative?
Can you prove that you don't beat your wife (or husband, I don't want to make any assumptions in this day and age)?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Look at the graph of 800,000 years of CO2 levels that were never above 300 ppm and now they are at 425ppm.

The planet had several periods of glaciation and melting in that 800,000 year time period.

I think you might be on to something.
So you are suggesting that there might be some other factor that could cause climate to warm and cool because glaciers have come and gone multiple times during the associated drastic temperature changes, all while CO2 levels remained consistent?

That seems plausible to any thinking person.

You see, this is a great example of why I continue to have these discussions with you. Occasionally you have a real epiphany and explain things so succinctly it almost anyone could understand it.

What factors do you think might be at work here? And are they still valid, or did the stop functioning when we started burning fossil fuels?

[fjlip]

"there might be some other factor that could cause climate to warm and cool because glaciers have come and gone multiple times"


Like NOT humans? That could STILL be the reason!

[chuckChuck]

Look at the graph of 800,000 years of CO2 levels that were never above 300 ppm and now they are at 425ppm.

During the intreglacial periods that melted the previous glacial periods the CO2 levels were never above 300ppm. Now they are at 425ppm. Try to put 2 and 2 together A5.

We were at 280 prior to the industrial revolution and agriculture started about 10,000 years ago when CO2 levels were lower.

And no credible scientific organization is saying we are headed back to any glacial period with rapidly rising CO2 levels currently at 425ppm.

[fjlip]

So glaciers MELTED many times...because it got some how (not human influence), MUCH warmer, but C02 was lower all those times?

I See, C02 is NOT the cause or effect! You proved it! Thanks!

[sumdumguy]

The Eighth Wonder of the World : How did millions of gullible lemmings get bamboozled into Climate Dysphoria when they only had to look at the facts? The ever-changing environment has many known influencers with still many still unknowns. Hang the dunce hats on the Crazy Crew (Gore, Suzuki, Libtards, Greta).

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Look at the graph of 800,000 years of CO2 levels that were never above 300 ppm and now they are at 425ppm.

During the intreglacial periods that melted the previous glacial periods the CO2 levels were never above 300ppm. Now they are at 425ppm. Try to put 2 and 2 together A5.

We were at 280 prior to the industrial revolution and agriculture started about 10,000 years ago when CO2 levels were lower.

And no credible scientific organization is saying we are headed back to any glacial period with rapidly rising CO2 levels currently at 425ppm.

I'll try to paraphrase your statement.
Try saying this out loud and try to keep a straight face.

CO2 levels hardly changed for 800,000 years, meanwhile temperatures fluctuated by as much as 15 degrees C independent of CO2 levels.

Therefore, CO2 is obviously the control knob for temperatures.

Remember, you must keep a straight face while repeating this out loud.
no laughing out loud.

[fjlip]

Let that SINK in to thick Climatard brains....

independent of C02, independent of C02, independent of C02, independent of C02, independent of C02, independent of C02!

I See, C02 is NOT the cause or effect!