Trudeau says he is quite a man because he won’t abandon,”the fight”.

[littledoggie]

A real leader would go "fight" the fires that his piss poor forest management policy helped fuel.

[shtferbrains]

He has Incident Commanders to run the whole operation when there are fires in the parks.

The one on the left for Jasper and the one on the right for Banff.

Some may think they look like Liberal DEI plants on an earn as you learn program?

FAFO?

[sumdumguy]

How many bull dozers and water trucks would it take to build 100 meter fire break with everything soaked on the receiving side? Could get that organized in 2 hours since you saw the threat two days ago? Totally bizzare.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

How many bull dozers and water trucks would it take to build 100 meter fire break with everything soaked on the receiving side? Could get that organized in 2 hours since you saw the threat two days ago? Totally bizzare.

2 hours, Plus 10 years of consultations and reports, another 4 years to get all of the permits. Countless years to consult all of the first Nations.
Could take decades to find and train enough transgender first nation equipment operators.
And if any endangered ant hills are found in the process, add a few more years to relocate them.

[TSIPP]

I’ve been to Jasper a few times and it’s just a tourist trap but the far left are completely evil for letting it burn, in today’s world how can we not protect a town from fire?

[cropgrower]

we give billions to other countrys while we let towns be destroyed here in Canada ,fits the agenda , pay more tax and their wont be any more lightening hitting a tinder box forest with lots of dead trees ! or any more human started fires either by accident or arson

[blackpowder]

They simply didn't have time in this case. All here could use a dose of humility. One I hope is never served by a firestorm.

[chuckChuck]

BP has enough sense to state the obvious.

The arrogance and stupidity of some of the other posters thinking that it is just mismanagement is unbelievable.

Lets just build a giant firebreak in how many hours?

With that kind of dumb ass thinking, Danny Smith must have been responsible for all the fires in Alberta in 2023 2024?

She should have stopped all the fires and property from being lost if it just that easy!

Same for Fort Mac don't you think? It was all mismanagement?

Next time your shop, barn or combine burns or your field starts on fire. Chalk it up to mismanagement then!

An easy peasy explanation from the clueless arm chair experts!

[littledoggie]

THE POINT IS being proactive is far superior to being reactive. Have you been to Jasper? Do you know the Athabasca River valley? Do you know about the pine beetle killed trees that are matchsticks in the waiting, specifically the ones in the valley up against the town of Jasper? I live up against the foothills of the Rocky Mountains. There were massive amounts of pine beetle killed trees in the crown forest lands around us. Guess what they did? They proactively logged them off quickly! Take away the fuel that contributes to a raging inferno. It's not rocket science!

[chuckChuck]

So how do you know all the things that were and weren't done over the years in forest management?

You work on the ground in Jasper and farm on the weekends?

Or you had seat at the table when making those decisions?

A former warden on the news, said Jasper used to have just 1 or 2 days a year over 30 C now they have up to a couple of weeks at a time.

Hmmm? Sounds like the climate has changed!

But more CO2 and more hotter dryer extreme weather events will be good for us!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

A few years ago in discussion with an MLA, I learned that the province has been at loggerheads with the feds about this very issue. The feds refused to address the fire hazard caused by the pine beetle trees in the parks, which is in turn a fire hazard for the adjacent areas of the province. Same issue with the pine beetles themselves, the feds refused to allow any control measures while the province took proactive measures outside the parks. Same issue with the infected elk at Elk Island. And bison in wood Buffalo. The potential solution being discussed was taking over control of the parks provincially.

This may be the straw that broke the camels back.
And guess which national parks draw the lion's share of tourism dollars in the country, and support the entirety of the national parks in the rest of the country?

[littledoggie]

Chuck spews more CO2. What a bunch of whale blow.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

A former warden on the news, said Jasper used to have just a 1 or 2 days a year over 30 C now they have up to a couple of weeks at a time.

Accepting that, which would be the more expedient solution to the fire hazard this creates?

A CO2 tax, and mandating electric vehicles, while closing down electricity generation across the country? A solution which if implemented around the world might alter the trajectory of future CO2 increases over a time span measured in centuries? At a cost exceeding the entire GDP.

Or create a fire break around communities surrounded by forests? A tried and tested method using existing technology for a small cost( benefit since the logs can be marketed).

[blackpowder]

There are two ways to state the obvious. I chose the high road.
I know people who lost their family home.
Regarding management and the federal government. That is an oxymoron. I do not know firsthand, but it is believable that it was a disaster waiting to happen.
I shall quiz the people who know.
Rather than add yet more garbage to the web.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

As for how fast this fire approached the town, we were there that afternoon, left Jasper townsite around suppertime, evacuation was only a few hours later. There was no fire that we could see, tourists were going about their business as usual, businesses were bustling. We saw or heard no indications of any emergency or imminent danger. Smoke was less thick there than it had been elsewhere in our travels. Tourists were so thick at Athabasca falls it was standing room only. It even rained hard south of Jasper in the park, we never imagined what was about to occur.
Shortly after we left heading south, the wind came up so strong our compact car was being blown all over the road. Holiday trailers slowed to a snails pace it was blowing them around so hard. The reports of how far the flames were jumping and how fast the fire was travelling in that wind is hard to comprehend.

Too windy for the water bombers or helicopters.
There was nothing humans could have done to stop it in that moment, this would have required proactive measures years in advance.