April 1

[newguy]

Canada is actually doing quite well as far as inflation globally.

[sumdumguy]

I remember that when GST was implemented, the government promised that within ten years, there would be no more duties or import tarries from US and Mexico. Hmmm, never materialized.

[blackpowder]

Can you provide some examples of how the trucker Hamloc mentioned will be able to improve his efficiencies and reduce his emissions to reduce his CO2 tax bill?

Exactly. By maintaining expensive systems that use nearly the same amount of carbon fuel.
Reuters last night full of biofuel news. That can ever only supply a tiny fraction of energy required. A fools shell game of epic proportions.
Marketing with a 2050 carrot. Fools.
The CT is simply a bad, expensive idea to satisfy fools. Where's your power bill going April 1 if on gas?
I'm sure that money going completely into R&D...
But no, it's all going back to the poor.
Fools. A costless tax, right....
I can only hope PP isn't all hat and no cattle like he sounds.

[WiltonRanch]

The ct scheme is absurd as its cheerleaders. When a certain industry is stretched to its maximum efficiency for what technology and economics can afford they will either quit or move to a jurisdiction where they can make money. At present there is the chinas Russias and other emerging economies which gladly take in corporations looking for a cheaper place to do business. Don’t we have a problem with China and Russia for being bad actors? It is bloody foolish and naive on the part of the boosters to ct domestic industry into oblivion or push them away to bad actor states while at the same time cry about China or Russia or every other third world place out competing us taking jobs and doing bad things. At this point international security I think is far more important than carbon emissions. Chuck and any of the same ilk are hypocrites living in a bubble so smart yet so dumb.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Can you provide some examples of how the trucker Hamloc mentioned will be able to improve his efficiencies and reduce his emissions to reduce his CO2 tax bill?

Apparently Chuck is having trouble finding examples of market-based solutions for Canadian truckers to be more efficient.
So I will offer him a starting point.
British Columbia has had 16 years of CO2 tax.
Do you know how many zero emission logging trucks are on BC roads in response to this market-based incentive?

Or is 16 years not long enough for the market to respond? Keeping in mind we are only 6 years away from the 2030 deadline, and only 26 years away from the 2050 net zero deadline.

[Hamloc]

Apparently Chuck is having trouble finding examples of market-based solutions for Canadian truckers to be more efficient.
So I will offer him a starting point.
British Columbia has had 16 years of CO2 tax.
Do you know how many zero emission logging trucks are on BC roads in response to this market-based incentive?

Or is 16 years not long enough for the market to respond? Keeping in mind we are only 6 years away from the 2030 deadline, and only 26 years away from the 2050 net zero deadline.

Seeing as Chuck2 only responds with insults and name calling, I did a quick google. Hmm six trucks, $16.5 million. Hydrogen trucks cost 4 times what a diesel truck costs. Should certainly lower freight costs. Funny, 16 years with a carbon tax, just trying it now?!

[furrowtickler]

The absurdity of it all is the most worrisome thing .

[blackpowder]

Yes CC, I will blame Ottawa as long as the money is going there. Sorry, but it's going the way of your last pet centralized socialist money waster.

Check out Edison Motors. A very interesting story. BC boys building a diesel electric log truck. Conversion kits as well. Also smaller truck conversion kits in the works.
The idea should work. Cat diesel gen. Had to source axles from China because NA manufacturers shut them out. Built in a tarp shed. No Ottawa involved.

[blackpowder]

And I might add, the incentive was more than fuel savings. Re-power conversions at half the cost of a new truck. No built in obsolescence, across the board, off the shelf parts availability. More to demand than a governments idea or scheme I guess.

[goalieguy847]

IN THEORY.
the carbon tax makes sense. The more you drive and burn, the more incentive you should havw to decrease your footprint. For example, we actually downsized our tractor to match our drill as we were probably 75 hp too much. Have an old 9280 to pull harrows , roller... sips fuel. I DO get a giggle out of an 800 k / 500 hp tractor pulling around 60 feet of rollers, when my dairyman neighbour borrows our 50 footers and tugs them around with a 140 hp open cab older deere.
however, the limits of where we can dial it back are pretty slim...
shut off truck instead of idle?. Cant do really as firing that big thing up burns as much fuel as idling it for 10 minutes.
i guess 1 less spray pass, but then the combine chews harder and get a weedier field...so then we probably have to use more harsh chem the next yr. PLUS a sprayer is pretty efficient.

All the new combines and tractors arent awesome on fuel UNTIL you delete the DEF.. we all know this but anything under warranty cant be touched
ok.so no real option there.

Less grain drying? Larger trailers so less trips to the elevator and bins?
we already run sectional control..already split app our fert... already soil sample...already variable rate.. generally have efficient matching equipment for our climate and crop type and harvest/seeding window...

Solar does little for us except get us a credit on oue account... which would help for 4 months of the year but the transmission costs are the killer anyways, not the cost of nat gas/ electricity....

So what can we really do? Farm land closer to an elevator? I guess....

So IN THEORY the carbon tax should be a true " usage" tax. The issue is, tell that to someone making minimum wage and walking to work. They are burning the least amount they can and probably cant reduce thwir carbon footprint much at all.... yet food goes up, fuel goes up, utilities go up...

i ask this.. whats the point of sending out carbon tax rebate cheques if its actually a tax that works? Do i get a rebate tax thats equivalent to what i pay for my gst ( non farm/ business)? Why not when i do for a carbon tax?

It used to make sense to me. Then it turned into a nuisance.
Now its making me .. confused.

Next up.. angry?

[chuckChuck]

So the carbon tax is designed to change behaviour and make alternatives more attractive as an incentive to develop alternatives and get off of fossil fuels as much as possible.

Just as incentives were used to develop the oil sands and increase investment in fossil fuels. We continue to subsidize the oil industry and they make record profits?

Most of you are driving on farm diesel that is exempt from the road tax and carbon tax.

So does the higher price of fuel change behaviour? You bet. Consumption goes down and consumers make better use of their fuel if possible. Or choose more efficient options.

It seems pretty obvious that many consumers in Canada are not that concerned about fuel costs because they keep buying a lot of the least efficient, most expensive vehicles to operate when they don't really need them. And you often see them idling in the middle of summer and winter because people must think fuel is cheap and they can't stand a hot or cold vehicle in moderate weather? Go figure.

Many people have given up pulling a camper trailer with a truck, long distances because its costs a fortune.

I have a plug in hybrid. When its running as an EV the cost of each kilometer is 1/2 that of gasoline. And i don't pay any carbon tax on my electricity.

The longer range hybrids will be good enough for most city commuters. And lower cost EV options will make full EVs more attractive.

Heavy trucking will also change. Alternatives are being used already. The example of retrofitting trucks with electric for example. And hydrogen fuel cells.

Every company or industry that faces rising costs trys to be more efficient.

It will take time.

[cropgrower]

So people that now are finding it very difficult to keep the bills paid because of all the tax and inflation will now somehow have the money to buy an EV ?!?!

[Hamloc]

So the carbon tax is designed to change behaviour and make alternatives more attractive as an incentive to develop alternatives and get off of fossil fuels as much as possible.

Just as incentives were used to develop the oil sands and increase investment in fossil fuels. We continue to subsidize the oil industry and they make record profits?

Most of you are driving on farm diesel that is exempt from the road tax and carbon tax.

So does the higher price of fuel change behaviour? You bet. Consumption goes down and consumers make better use of their fuel if possible. Or choose more efficient options.

It seems pretty obvious that many consumers in Canada are not that concerned about fuel costs because they keep buying a lot of the least efficient, most expensive vehicles to operate when they don't really need them. And you often see them idling in the middle of summer and winter because people must think fuel is cheap and they can't stand a hot or cold vehicle in moderate weather? Go figure.

Many people have given up pulling a camper trailer with a truck, long distances because its costs a fortune.

I have a plug in hybrid. When its running as an EV the cost of each kilometer is 1/2 that of gasoline. And i don't pay any carbon tax on my electricity.

The longer range hybrids will be good enough for most city commuters. And lower cost EV options will make full EVs more attractive.

Heavy trucking will also change. Alternatives are being used already. The example of retrofitting trucks with electric for example. And hydrogen fuel cells.

Every company or industry that faces rising costs trys to be more efficient.

It will take time.

As usual no response to the article I posted and the absurdity of the cost of a hydrogen power trucks. Having said that a hydrogen fuel cell will work better than strictly battery power in a highway truck.

[sumdumguy]

People in Canada want the behaviour of our delusional fools in government to change. They need to realize that they have been coerced and brain-washed to denigrate the staff of life. The purpose of the propaganda machine is to destroy the West and the virtue cultures while the the benefactors of sanity are prospering and supplying the world with fossil fuels as fast and vigorously as they can.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

People in Canada want the behaviour of our delusional fools in government to change. They need to realize that they have been coerced and brain-washed to denigrate the staff of life. The purpose of the propaganda machine is to destroy the West and the virtue cultures while the the benefactors of sanity are prospering and supplying the world with fossil fuels as fast and vigorously as they can.

Imagine if citizens could apply a punitive tax on politicians to change their behaviour. Something that comes right out of their taxpayer funded salaries.
Call it the bad policy tax. Maybe make it a carrot and a stick, and let the taxpayers decide on bonuses for politicians who enact good policy.
The key word being taxpayers, and only taxpayers get to decide.