EV’s

[Hamloc]

As I was doing my usual look at the headlines at breakfast I came across the article on the CBC: “A collision, 2 months and $18 K later, a couple worries their EV insurer will raise rates.”

Chuck2, always preaches how EV’s are more efficient and cheaper to operate. The reality is they are more expensive to buy, more expensive to fix and as more are purchased in Canada will become more expensive to insure. “In the U.K., for example, the average cost of EV insurance rose by 72% in 2023, compared to 29% for internal combustion engine vehicles according to the Financial Times.” Meanwhile in an article in the Financial Post: “Stellantis lays off about 400 workers to cut costs in EV transition.”

So in the real world, not the computer model world of the progressive left, EV’s are more expensive to buy, to insure and their will be less people employed building them. Looks like a real win the economy and the country. But really, did anybody really believe an initiative driven by government would work?!?!

[cropgrower]

And no dealer wants them when they are a few years old

[chuckChuck]

The market for long range plug in hybrids will grow substantially. Several of the manufacturers are planning on lower cost EVs and plug in hybrids to fill the ZEV demand.

Its early days in the transition and its not possible to change over millions of new vehicles of any type in a few years.

80% vs 20% efficiency for ICEs! That is a huge advantage for electric.

Technology of all types will advance and change whether you like it or not.

[Hamloc]

The market for long range plug in hybrids will grow substantially. Several of the manufacturers are planning on lower cost EVs and plug in hybrids to fill the ZEV demand.

Its early days in the transition and its not possible to change over millions of new vehicles of any type in a few years.

80% vs 20% efficiency for ICEs! That is a huge advantage for electric.

Technology of all types will advance and change whether you like it or not.

EV’s are being imposed by government mandate, that simple.

I have a 1987 GMC 4x4 still use on the farm, runs great, can still get parts. Chuck2, the odds of a 37 year old EV still running are zero, mainly because getting a replacement battery would be impossible. More waste, more cost, less jobs, definitely an improvement in technology, not!!!!!

[J88]

The early adapters are paying 20 percent more and depreciation is a lot worse unless you can get multiple years use out of one and battery replacement when and if is a big unknown. I wonder how many are leased and at what known cost and who is going to risk second ownership

[chuckChuck]

How the hell do you know what batteries will be like in 5 years let alone 37 years? LOL

They can already be recycled and repaired and no doubt will improve dramatically in 37 years.

Did your dad or grandparents know about the internet, smart phones and GPS Auto steer?

And the oil sands were developed with generous taxpayer support, subsidies and incentives which continue to this day!

But of course you are a conservative and you want all things to stay the same!

[Hamloc]

Chuck2, the battery is an integral part of the structure of the car and specific to that vehicle. There will not be replacement batteries available for 37 year old vehicles made today. Now if the design is changed to a replacement universal battery design, different story. That has not happened yet. And as a conservative, I embrace change that makes sense, not change based on political ideology!!!

[checking]

The market for long range plug in hybrids will grow substantially. Several of the manufacturers are planning on lower cost EVs and plug in hybrids to fill the ZEV demand.

Its early days in the transition and its not possible to change over millions of new vehicles of any type in a few years.

80% vs 20% efficiency for ICEs! That is a huge advantage for electric.

Technology of all types will advance and change whether you like it or not.

Does your, I'm better than you, therefore "shame on you", tactic hold water?

Do you not see that the same criticism you level at ICE drivers, because you drive hybrid, is the same criticism that EV drivers could level at you?

In fact, if you were willing to post your ICE used hybrid miles you might find that you are contributing more GHG than an ICE vehicle owner who only drives when needed, not wanted.

Benefit of the doubt here. Perhaps your post is information oriented, therefore, you will post your ICE miles, and mileage.

[J88]

Look at Tier 4 Diesels isn’t that the sacrifice to have the ultimate emissions yet the push to go electric beyond that and still have multiple problems with def systems that have been in development for many years at extreme cost

[blackpowder]

Someone explain to me why ice/electric hybrids aren't a thing.
I don't know anything about cars.
It works in trains but no batteries.
We'll see if it works in Edison Trucks.
The all electric was a false push before the tech was there.
I suspect it cost everyone.

[sumdumguy]

“ 5 years, let alone 37 years” Chuck. The lunar landing July 20, 1969 can’t be duplicated in 2024. Sure makes me want to count on a battery,

[fjlip]

Nobody has been on the moon....50 years and can't get there now? WTF?