Canadian Carbon Rebate

[Hamloc]

Most prairie soils were much higher in organic matter prior to agriculture. And zero tillage has been a big benefit to soil health and sequestering some carbon. But it will probably never get back to the levels before cultivation where perennial grasses built up organic matter over thousand of years.

And soil organic matter continues to release carbon in the carbon cycle.

But the difference is all the previously stored CO2 that has come from and continues to come from fossil fuels. That's the carbon emission source we have to reduce.

India’s Prime Minister Modi was applauding his countries success the other day. He was ecstatic that India had mined 1 billion tonnes of coal in the 2023-2024 production year. How much affect has Canada’s carbon tax had and our energy policy as a whole on India? In 2015, India consumed roughly 820 million tonnes of coal, now over a billion!

[blackpowder]

Is there a record of OM and nutrients from 1900? It was mined until the 70s or 80s here. But in my career, fields I've covered from then till now aren't recognizable compared to then.
I'm interested in your soil test records pre agriculture. Anything on the history of soils is interesting.

Use words like "probably" and "never" carefully. Especially together.

[chuckChuck]

Almost every country can say someone else is the problem.

How can you ask others to change if you don't set an example?

It was the rich countries who have caused the biggest problem in the first place. who use the most fossil fuels.

Look at per capita emissions and you will see we are the leaders in the most CO2 emissions per capita.

India is also installing lots of renewable energy capacity.

[shtferbrains]

We all have to do our part?

Well at least if you are a G7 country you keep preaching.

The rest of the world (ROTW) just looks for opertunity to improve the lifestyle of thier people.

Climate change only comes up when money is promised and the big promises arn't coming thu because G7 economies can't keep up with thier own waste and BS.

It ain't going according to plan.

[Hamloc]

Almost every country can say someone else is the problem.

How can you ask others to change if you don't set an example?

It was the rich countries who have caused the biggest problem in the first place. who use the most fossil fuels.

Look at per capita emissions and you will see we are the leaders in the most CO2 emissions per capita.

India is also installing lots of renewable energy capacity.

Yes we certainly at present have a better average standard of living than a citizen of India. But if we give Trudeau enough time he will certainly fix that as our productivity in Canada continues to decline under his leadership.

As for emissions per capita, we live in a climate that is frozen 5-6 months of the year while at the same time we are a large exporter of natural resources, making energy more unaffordable isn’t a pathway to a prosperous future!

[chuckChuck]

We can use less energy more efficiently and still be very well off.

But if you are going to line up idling in your $80,000, 500 hp truck to pickup your breakfast of timbits because you are too lazy or disorganized to make it yourself, then we have a problem.

Just a small example of how stupid we are when it comes to wasting resources.

We got very use to low cost energy so we designed an inneficient unsustainable system around it.

[blackpowder]

Per capita emissions is a marketing number for the guilt motivated. Misleading.
Noble intentions are fine but what's unclear are who will be left to judge.

[chuckChuck]

Are you disputing the per capita emissions measurement? On what grounds?

[blackpowder]

Merely suggesting it's misleading.
Used to push guilt on those who can't critically think.

[cropgrower]

We can use less energy more efficiently and still be very well off.

But if you are going to line up idling in your $80,000, 500 hp truck to pickup your breakfast of timbits because you are too lazy or disorganized to make it yourself, then we have a problem.

Just a small example of how stupid we are when it comes to wasting resources.

We got very use to low cost energy so we designed an inneficient unsustainable system around it.

so a few minutes in a lineup idling is a problem while all the so called experts fly around the world in their private jets ? wake up man and dont be making yourself look silly ,what a laugh the elites must be having at people like you

[chuckChuck]

So wasting non renewable fossil energy is a good thing even when considering climate change?

[blackpowder]

I dislike waste almost as much as you disdain wealth.
Guilt over the wealth I have is illogical. Attempts at making all people equal would be wasteful.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

It was the rich countries who have caused the biggest problem in the first place. who use the most fossil fuels.

Chuck, your communist side is showing through again.

Remember the watermelon analogy, you are supposed keep the green on the outside, not expose the red.

[shtferbrains]

Are you disputing the per capita emissions measurement? On what grounds?

So a small village on the edge of the arctic ocean would be considered among the worst polluters but in fact are totally insignificant.
But in a low income per capita city like Singapore they are low emmiters but highly significant.

You dodge around how much we sink.

Why?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

We can use less energy more efficiently and still be very well off.

But if you are going to line up idling in your $80,000, 500 hp truck to pickup your breakfast of timbits because you are too lazy or disorganized to make it yourself, then we have a problem.

Just a small example of how stupid we are when it comes to wasting resources.

We got very use to low cost energy so we designed an inneficient unsustainable system around it.

But aren't you the guy who keeps telling us that unreliable energy is the cheapest energy source?
If that were actually true, wouldn't that motivate us to be even more inefficient?

Or are you quietly acknowledging that fossil fuel energy is by far the cheapest source, and that unreliable energy will be much more expensive. Which will force consumers and industries to ration their energy use.

You can't have it both ways.