We are doing it ALL wrong

[AlbertaFarmer5]

More importantly they are both farms that seem to be concerned about human caused climate change. They must be radicals!

So it doesn't actually matter if they don't do anything concrete or effective, as long as they say they care about climate change, and utter all the right latitudes, their sins will be forgiven and they are free to emit as much as they like without consequence?
Because they say they care about human caused climate change, they can apply green ammonia using Auto steer and all of the greenhouse gases from the application will be forgiven?

This doesn't sound at all like a cult to me.

[chuckChuck]

So what about the abated emissions from the natural gas which is the primary energy source for N fertilizers. Did you forget about those upstream emissions being cut by solar and hydro production of ammonia?

Are you sure you are an engineer?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

More importantly they are both farms that seem to be concerned about human caused climate change. They must be radicals!

This post was just so revealing, that it is worth repeating.
So it is more important to virtue signal that you care than it is due to something effective.
It is more important to say the right thing and it is to do constructive towards that goal.
As is obvious by the blatant hypocrisy of Chuck and the left in general on climate change, alternative energy, electric vehicles, racism, first Nations issues, etc.
Thank you for the most truthful post you have probably ever made.

[chuckChuck]

So producing N fertilizer with solar and hydro electricity is not a step in reducing greenhouse gas emissions? Yes or no Mr. pretend engineer?

[shtferbrains]

So producing N fertilizer with solar and hydro electricity is not a step in reducing greenhouse gas emissions? Yes or no Mr. pretend engineer?

Did you find some results from last summer showing production of ammonia in Manitoba from a sea can?

That really interests me.

It would seem to require an elimination of a lot of steps required in the production of ammonia.

But it would be virtually free if you produced it from wind and solar?

And all in a sea can.

What's not to like?

[chuckChuck]

Its a pilot project so lets see what the outcome is.

Its also shows that renewable energy can be stored.

Everything on earth more or less is or was powered by the suns energy.

Why not use it as much as possible? Its an unlimited source of free energy that is so simple to capture and use.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, in North America natural gas is being flared off as a by product because we have such a glut, we might as well convert it into nitrogen fertilizer and make some use of it before converting it to CO2.

But if you listen to the speech that started this thread, the nfu wants to eliminate inputs, not change their source.

[chuckChuck]

Bullshit! The NFU and other farm groups are talking about reducing emissions not getting rid of all inputs!

What a laugh you are A5

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Bullshit! The NFU and other farm groups are talking about reducing emissions not getting rid of all inputs!

What a laugh you are A5

Did you not listen to the nfu video at the beginning of this thread? Darrin says multiple times : reduce inputs, reduce on farm emissions.
I haven't reread the nfu climate change report for a while, but from what I recall there was a strong focus on the on-farm emissions from the application of fertilizer.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Further to Chuck's claim that the NFU doesn't want to eliminate inputs. And that making ammonia from solar power would solve anything.
Some snippets from the NFU climate crisis report(I read it so you don't have to):

2. Nitrous oxide. N2O comes mainly from fossil-fuel combustion, nitrogen fertilizer use, and manure management. Though the tonnage of N2O emitted is much less than that of CO2, N2O contributes significantly to warming because tonne-for-tonne its warming effect is 265 times more powerful than CO2.

Nitrous oxide (N2O), mostly from nitrogen chemistry in our soils (and this mostly from the application of synthetic nitrogen fertilizer)

Extrapolating from figure 4-1, it appears that the CO2 equivalent emissions from nitrogen fertilizer application is at least 4 times that of the manufacture of nitrogen fertilizer. So Chuck's solution of using solar to create ammonia fertilizer only reduces the emissions by ~20%.

As noted, there are three main sources of agricultural emissions: 1. ...
2. From agricultural soils (mainly a result of nitrogen fertilizer production and use). Nitrogen production contributes about 11%, and emission from fertilizer use make up about 18%, for a total of 29% of agricultural emissions.

Reduce carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from energy use by:
• reducing production and use of fertilizer and other emissions-intensive inputs;

2. Reduce nitrous oxide (N2O) emissions from land and manure by: • reducing the amount of synthetic nitrogen fertilizer required

It is therefore not surprising that nitrogen fertilizer is also the largest source of emissions.

Encourage and support the transition to organic production.
Organic producers are demonstrating important ways that all farmers can reduce GHG emissions. Organic farmers are producing crops without purchased synthetic nitrogen

And on and on, countless exhortations to eliminate inputs.

And if you think that is scary, read what he has to say about the evil livestock. Including, and I'm not making this up, "The case against cattle".