We are doing it ALL wrong

[chuckChuck]

what are you doing on your farm cc ?

Not calling all birds pests! Like you Crop.

[blackpowder]

One doesn't have to think too hard to see how ag will get more climate friendly. Continuation of consolidation.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Thank you, Chuck for providing some actual Western Canadian examples. Wasn't so hard after all. You may have just set a dangerous precedent for yourself.

I am watching the Green ammonia project with optimism.
Although I don't see how that meets the definition of low inputs. I thought a lot of the concern with applying nitrogen fertilizer was the greenhouse gases emitted from the soil after application? Or are you simply anti corporate, and as long as it's not a corporation selling the fertilizer, the emissions are green?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

As for the other example you brought up, Herbert land ventures, that is strange bedfellow for those for the anti-corporate, anti big farm nfu.
35,000 acres, much of it rented from andjelic. Their website is mostly an advertisement for finding more land to rent from family farms, to expedite the consolidation process that I thought the nfu was against?
I attached a screenshot of their website. Do any of these practices sound like low input stick it to the corporations type of practices?
Sounds like they're using the exact same practices as every other farmer on the prairies, except they are greenwashing it and collaborating with agricultural organizations to make it sound special.

But it says right on their website that they use Auto steer to save the environment, so I'm sure it sounds flashy and impressive to a non-farmer such as yourself.

Or you could prove me wrong about my observation by telling us what you have done on your own farm.

[WiltonRanch]

Question remains CC what have you been doing on your farm? You list examples of others but what are you doing? Have you done any experiments? If you farm 6000 acres like you claim I’m sure you’ve tried some stuff.

[cropgrower]

All them save the climate clowns are mostly do as i say not as i do , while they fly around the world in their private jets while they tell us pesants we shud eat bugs in the cold and dark and ride our bike to work ,
CC would be the same im sure , just come on here to lecture us all , if he told us what he is doing and how it works and the economics, we may actualy listen ,
it an extremely clueless person that thinks they will change peoples opinion with name calling and insults , we seen how well that worked with jabs , clearly too dumb to learn what works or not

[shtferbrains]

What about Curtis and Tracy Hiebert at Sperling Manitoba? Are they wrong too?

Countdown to green anhydrous ammonia

On-farm, low-emissions anhydrous ammonia production touted as fertilizer disruptor

Green?ammonia?production is about to be put through its paces on one southern Manitoba farm.

Green energy company FuelPositive, based in Waterloo, Ont., says its inaugural farm-scale demonstration system will be deployed in January near Sperling. The system is set to be installed on R&L Acres, operated by Tracy and Curtis Hiebert.
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[url]https://www.manitobacooperator.ca/news-opinion/news/countdown-to-green-anhydrous-ammonia/[/url]

That's an interesting project Chuck.
They must have a yrs production in since that article but I can't see any mention of actual experience on thier X account or any mention at all on Curtis Hiebert's.

They are offering pre-orders for a 30% deposit if your ready to invest.

If you could find anything to show it actually produced ammonia at any level I would be interested in the data?

[furrowtickler]

Regenerative agriculture is a hot topic among many farmers who are using BMPs to reduce emissions and sequester carbon.

Including cover crops, intercrops, perennial forages and integrating livestock and crop production.

Direct seeding and zero tillage have reduced emissions and have also sequestered more carbon. Why do farmers want to be paid for sequestering carbon if they don't think rising CO2 levels are a problem?

Many food companies want farmers to move to more regenerative lower emission agriculture as well.

Let me know when you can produce results close to this in regenerative ag in two years .
no cover crops , no livestock

[kANOLA]

Chuck you sound like the highly educated Darrin Qualman with your unrealistic ideas. Who would you leave without food, cause you do realize that food production will drop.

[chuckChuck]

More importantly they are both farms that seem to be concerned about human caused climate change. They must be radicals!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

More importantly they are both farms that seem to be concerned about human caused climate change. They must be radicals!

So it doesn't actually matter if they don't do anything concrete or effective, as long as they say they care about climate change, and utter all the right latitudes, their sins will be forgiven and they are free to emit as much as they like without consequence?
Because they say they care about human caused climate change, they can apply green ammonia using Auto steer and all of the greenhouse gases from the application will be forgiven?

This doesn't sound at all like a cult to me.

[chuckChuck]

So what about the abated emissions from the natural gas which is the primary energy source for N fertilizers. Did you forget about those upstream emissions being cut by solar and hydro production of ammonia?

Are you sure you are an engineer?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

More importantly they are both farms that seem to be concerned about human caused climate change. They must be radicals!

This post was just so revealing, that it is worth repeating.
So it is more important to virtue signal that you care than it is due to something effective.
It is more important to say the right thing and it is to do constructive towards that goal.
As is obvious by the blatant hypocrisy of Chuck and the left in general on climate change, alternative energy, electric vehicles, racism, first Nations issues, etc.
Thank you for the most truthful post you have probably ever made.

[chuckChuck]

So producing N fertilizer with solar and hydro electricity is not a step in reducing greenhouse gas emissions? Yes or no Mr. pretend engineer?

[shtferbrains]

So producing N fertilizer with solar and hydro electricity is not a step in reducing greenhouse gas emissions? Yes or no Mr. pretend engineer?

Did you find some results from last summer showing production of ammonia in Manitoba from a sea can?

That really interests me.

It would seem to require an elimination of a lot of steps required in the production of ammonia.

But it would be virtually free if you produced it from wind and solar?

And all in a sea can.

What's not to like?