Buying votes

[WiltonRanch]

Weber I never said ag subsidies and safety nets are all bad policy did I?

But the pretend libertarians who complain about subsidies to everyone else, never seem to recognize and admit that they also get significant taxpayer subsidies.

Target the subsidies to small and medium sized farms and certain sectors who need it.

Why does Monette farms need a subsidy? They will be getting millions in taxpayers support that drives up the price of land for smaller farms who can't afford it.

I’d think you’re a big farmer with 40quarters compared to me. You deserve nothing in my view. The guy or gal with 5 quarters probably thinks I deserve nothing either. Where do you draw the line?

[chuckChuck]

Cap the subsidy and safety net programs at a reasonable level to keep small and medium sized farms in business so that they don't struggle and disappear.

Let the bigger farms make it on their own without taxpayers support.

There is no need to subsidize the big investor mega farms that are gobbling up all the land and pushing smaller farms out.

[chuckChuck]

Why does Net Zero/ EV's/ CBC need subsidies? To PUSH and agenda.

Why does the oil industry need subsidies and incentives to push their agenda?

[cropgrower]

what is the cut off line ? for farmers to stop getting these subsidies you keep talking about , shud their be no crop insurance for bigger farmers ? cc , you call that a subsidy

[chuckChuck]

I don't know what is a cutoff line because we are talking about a very diverse sector in many different provinces.

Design a policy that sustains and supports as many small to medium sized family farms as possible and keeps rural communities viable.

[cropgrower]

is it fair to give the very badly managed smaller farm free money and the very well managed similar sized farm notting because they are more profitable ? good luck designing that policy !

[AlbertaFarmer5]

is it fair to give the very badly managed smaller farm free money and the very well managed similar sized farm notting because they are more profitable ? good luck designing that policy !

You have just described a kakistocracy. Socialism at it's best.

[chuckChuck]

is it fair to give the very badly managed smaller farm free money and the very well managed similar sized farm notting because they are more profitable ? good luck designing that policy !

We are already giving a lot of money to farms that don't need it already. Why does Monette need subsidies again? Cut them off they don't need them to be successful.

[cropgrower]

Did i say huge farms shud get free money ? don't think so , subsidies have destroyed farming in Europe , thats why i left , its a nightmare to farm , all the so called subsidies come with huge amount or red tape and regulations , if you don't comply no payment , i would quit here if it ever got to farm depending on government handouts

[jazz]

Why doesnt chuck prepay his capital gains, you know to make life more fairer in this country.

What subsidies does monette get except for their astronomical mortgage at Scotia Bank.

[blackpowder]

I don't know what is a cutoff line because we are talking about a very diverse sector in many different provinces.

Design a policy that sustains and supports as many small to medium sized family farms as possible and keeps rural communities viable.

I hope you didn't think very long on that one.

[WiltonRanch]

I have trouble the government determining who is eligible for risk support programs like crop insurance or agstab regarding farm size. Even if one has a disdain for Monettes cavalier approach they still put their dick on the road like the guy farming 12 quarters, and probably more so. Take away the opportunity to be big and or successful what sort of an incentive is there for the up and coming farmers? In another topic we were discussing equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome. What is it here? Do you want everyone farming 5 quarters with a 1370 and 1/3 fallow or a larger operation which can weather commodity downturns a bit better? We grow commodities and are at the whims of the world market. There is no way you can insulate from it as was shown with previous schemes. Domestic policy which hinders us from being competitive will effectively drive us out of business maybe not today but definitely tomorrow.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I hope you didn't think very long on that one.

One could almost get the impression that he said something somewhere in that list of banal talking points.
But on further inspection, there is absolutely nothing.

He would make a great politician.

[blackpowder]

Supply management for all of agriculture. 35 million people paying 50% of their income towards food.
Zero imports. Works on paper I guess.

[shtferbrains]

35 million people paying 50% of their income towards food.
Zero imports. Works on paper I guess.

Significant part of that 35 million pay more than 50% to various levels of government in taxes and fees.

Food is way down the list probably below transportation.
For sure if you need 2 vehicles and they are both EV's.

The socialists in government are trying to divert attention to food cost but even my 19 yr old grandson who worked huge hours with no days off last harvest observed that taxes took over 1/2 his money.

High taxes sap the incentive to expend extra effort.