More Taxpayer subsidies to the Oil patch!

[furrowtickler]

Oil and gas subsidies, and Ag pay close to 10-1 . How does that stack up against other extremely wasteful government subsidies??

[chuckChuck]

Why do very profitable industries and large farms that can survive on their own need taxpayers subsidies furrow?

What happened to the fiscal conservatives who are calling for balanced budgets and restraint?

You got to love the pretend free market farmer clowns who complain about subsidies and support to the others, but then make excuses about why they should get them!

Just like all the farmers who took CEBA loans and grants that didn't need them and then complained about the overspending during covid? Huh?

How do you spell hypocrisy?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

How do you spell hypocrisy?

Answer:
c h u c k C h u c k
What prize do I win?

[chuckChuck]

Glad to know you support subsidies to those who don't need it. A true libertarian!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So what industries or sectors actually need subsidies in your opinion, chuck?

I can't think of any, except perhaps r&d on projects which could have decadal time scales.

[newguy]

I always thought countries that subsidize their farmers were basically subsidizing food for consumers.made it real tough for Canadian farmers to compete and make a profit.Now Moe says his humongous irrigating subsidy will help guarantee cheaper food for consumers.I know Moe math is usually whacked out but is that not a slap in the face for the other 95% of the dryland farmers in Sask.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Is there any evidence at all to indicate that subsidies to Farmers does anything other than drive up the cost of purchasing or renting the land to farm to acquire the subsidies?

[newguy]

Is there any evidence at all to indicate that subsidies to Farmers does anything other than drive up the cost of purchasing or renting the land to farm to acquire the subsidies?

When grain prices were low it kept farmers growing cheap food .Seen it lived it.Now a days I agree with you.I think Moe's wants people to believe it will be some sort of food security when in fact it will be a money scam that will fill pockets of a few.

[chuckChuck]

You gotta laugh when farmers believe they are growing only crops to feed a hungry world.

I think 40 % of the US corn crop is used for ethanol and Canadian farmers are growing more and more canola for biodiesel along with crops for ethanol.

Those must be really "hungry" engines that need more biofuel.

The biofuel mandates are used to keep grain prices high which is another subsidy to agriculture biofuel production and makes consumers pay more for many products.

But don't forget we have to feed a hungry world!

[furrowtickler]

Thankfully, or grain prices would be half of what they are in North America

[chuckChuck]

You can thank tax payers and consumers!

But the pretend libertarians still believe the "free market" is in control and farmers don't receive any handouts?

Do you think PP might axe the subsidies to biofuel that are raising food prices and hurting consumers in a misguided attempt to reduce carbon emissions?

[cropgrower]

would farmers keep producing food at a loss ? don't think so

[furrowtickler]

We contribute a 100x more than the bit we receive, so give it a rest.
raining up there yet ?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I would argue that the price of grains ended up exactly where it would have been without the additional demand from biofuels. The price approaches the cost of production regardless of demand.
All biofuels did was incentivize South America and the FSU to drastically increase production to fill the worldwide void created by biofuels. At the end of the day, supply equals demand, and price equals the COP of the lowest cost producer, which isn't North America.

[chuckChuck]

Sure but I thought you believed in small government and letting the market decide? Apparently not!

You are more than happy to receive higher prices that are caused by the subsidies to biofuel!

If PP and Trump decide to cut biofuel subsidies no doubt you will support their plans to reduce prices for consumers! Axe the biofuel tax on consumers!