Cheap wind power ????

[shtferbrains]

Didn't Texas have a huge amount of damage when they had a cold snap a couple of yrs ago?
The power grid went down because they depended to much on unreliable sources?
Wasn't wind considered to be largely the main cause of that failure?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Do you know what state has cheaper electricity rates than Texas does? Right next door, Louisiana enjoys cheaper electricity.
Almost entirely from natural gas and coal.
Wind and solar aren't even a rounding error in their total production. Same latitude, similar climate, similar demand

How do you explain that?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So the title of Chuck's article is literally "why is electricity so expensive in Texas"

And Chuck presents an article about how expensive electricity prices in Texas are as proof that wind and solar result in cheaper electricity.

Then the articles on to explain how much worse it would have been if not for the addition of expensive destabilizing wind and solar.
Reminds me of covid, where every time someone died or was extremely sick, and we were told to just consider how much worse that would have been if they weren't vaccinated.

Have you considered a career in comedy chuck?
You're above posts were comedy gold.

[chuckChuck]

"Scientists found that over a span of almost 12 years, from 2010 to August 2021, Texas consumers saved up to $27.8 billion from the grid’s adoption of solar and wind energy sources. Researchers compared ERCOT’s actual market performance, which has adapted such renewables, with a market that relied solely on natural gas, coal and nuclear power. These numbers indicate that consumers were able to save “significantly.”

“Texans would have had to pay 27.8 billion more dollars over that period of time because eventually the customer always pays,” head researcher Rhodes said.

One of the main ways renewable energy cuts costs is by “providing energy at zero or near-zero prices,” which results in lower overall market prices for the consumer, he said. In the free market bidding system, the most expensive power plant sets the price for everyone else, Rhodes explained."
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[chuckChuck]

So A5 wont take Sask Powers word that renewables are lower cost or that renewables in Texas reduced electricity prices.

Nor that Lazard LCOE that studies a wide range of US electricity generation sources also shows the low cost of renewables.

Multiple sources that make it clear that renewables are lower cost.

And of course the guy who says we need more CO2 in the atmosphere would deny that wind and solar are lower cost!

No surprise there!

[TSIPP]

Where does SaskPower say renewables are lower cost?
lower cost than what?

[chuckChuck]

Misconceptions About Wind And Solar Facilities
August 23, 2024
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[url]https://www.saskpower.com/about-us/our-company/blog/2024/misconceptions-about-wind-and-solar-facilities[/url]

Aren’t They More Expensive?
Reality: When it comes to cost over their entire lifespan, the average cost of large-scale solar and wind generation is a lot less than other power sources.
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[AlbertaFarmer5]

"Scientists found that over a span of almost 12 years, from 2010 to August 2021, Texas consumers saved up to $27.8 billion from the grid’s adoption of solar and wind energy sources. Researchers compared ERCOT’s actual market performance, which has adapted such renewables, with a market that relied solely on natural gas, coal and nuclear power. These numbers indicate that consumers were able to save “significantly.”

“Texans would have had to pay 27.8 billion more dollars over that period of time because eventually the customer always pays,” head researcher Rhodes said.

One of the main ways renewable energy cuts costs is by “providing energy at zero or near-zero prices,” which results in lower overall market prices for the consumer, he said. In the free market bidding system, the most expensive power plant sets the price for everyone else, Rhodes explained."
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I forgot to include the link to US states power prices:

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_5_6_a

As of June 2024, Texas all sectors power prices were over 20% higher than Louisiana.
Louisiana is relying almost entirely on natural gas, most of the remainder being coal and some nuclear, almost no wind or solar.

So, who did these researchers compare Texas to, if not their next door neighbor?

I bolded two more statements from your cut and paste which accidentally explain why the addition of wind and solar make electricity more expensive for the consumer.

[sumdumguy]

We could have made enough wind power for life last night with 75 mile an hour winds all night. The trouble is the dreamers don’t understand that unreliable and un dependable power isn’t worth anything, never mind cheap. It’s such a gift to mankind fossil fuel. Only some buffoons don’t appreciate and actually demonize really cheap, dependable, portable push-button energy. Hmmm

[chuckChuck]

But the pretend libertarian still doesn't believe Sask Power?

All this while regulated rates are much lower in Saskatchewan than deregulated Alberta that allows generators to with hold supply to drive up electricity prices?

You gotta laugh at the lame attempt by A5 to ignore Sask Power and switch to comparing apples to oranges in Texas and Louisiana!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

You were the one who brought up texas. You posted an article titled why is electricity so expensive in texas. This was your attempt to prove that solar and wind are resulting in cheaper electricity. Do you forget that already?
Your article claimed that they compared Texas to other states without solar and wind and made the preposterous claim that the solar and wind had saved Texas consumers money. So I compared it to the most comparable state which doesn't use any solar and wind and has much cheaper electricity. Which part of that did you not understand?

[chuckChuck]

The study that was referenced clearly contradicts your claims.

As does Sask power!

You lose!

[TSIPP]

SaskPower says solar and wind facilities last longer than a natural gas electric power station, I’m pretty sure someone is using Chinese math.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I assume you have read the study. And if so, what state did they compare Texas to if not their closest neighbor that doesn't use wind and solar?

[chuckChuck]

From Sask Power:
Don’t Wind And Solar Projects Have Short Lifespans?

Reality: The average lifespan of newer wind turbines is more than 30 years. For a solar facility, it’s also about 25 to 30 years. With good maintenance, that can be even longer!

Background: For a comparison, the average lifespan for a natural gas power station is also 25 to 30 years.
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